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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree that licensing requirements have gotten ridiculous. Here, surveying land, installing an alarm, or even cutting hair without a license are criminal offenses.
    That's pretty messed up. The hairdresser license is a symbol of everything wrong with our political system. Think how much better off the poor would be if the barriers to entry for the market were not so high? All you need is a pair of scissors and you could start a business cutting hair from home, but for the government which requires you to pay to attend a hairdressing academy (who probably paid them kickbacks) for the privilege of paying to obtain a license. If you're broke then all of a sudden a job that you could have had for the cost of a pair of scissors is now prohibitively expensive.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's pretty messed up. The hairdresser license is a symbol of everything wrong with our political system. Think how much better off the poor would be if the barriers to entry for the market were not so high? All you need is a pair of scissors and you could start a business cutting hair from home, but for the government which require you to pay to attend a hairdressing academy (who probably paid them kickbacks) for he privilege of paying to obtain a license. If you're broke then all of a sudden a job that you could have had for the cost of a pair of scissors is now prohibitively expensive.
    I totally agree, Guy. In some areas, mainly doing with health care, licensing makes sense. But to cut hair? If you're good at it, you get business and if you suck, you don't.

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    If you think the barriers to entry are bad in hairdressing, try opening a restaurant.

    Just pricing the mandated commercial cooking equipment will crack your jaw on the floor.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Yes, with money that is it's own now, to do wish as it's mandated by the citizenry.Again, nothing having to do with employers being forced to employ anyone.
    Where it goes is irrelevant, you can't launder the money with technicalities babilfish. Government takes money from one, and hires someone else with that money. That's reasonable no different. I understand you refuse to admit that, I can't force you to. You haven't shown how it's not effectively the same thing, you're just restating the actual behaviors involved. Yes, I agree, government taxes the money and then legally owns it, then hires people with it...that's restating the premise, that's not rebutting my claim.
    God, what is wrong with conservatives? Honestly, if they're not dismissing the plights of the jobless they're misrepresenting the actual functions of government for whatever stupid nonsense they imagine government does.
    Who are you debating that is a conservative? Keep the personal and insulting nonsense out of the discussion, it's not helping your argument.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's pretty messed up. The hairdresser license is a symbol of everything wrong with our political system. Think how much better off the poor would be if the barriers to entry for the market were not so high? All you need is a pair of scissors and you could start a business cutting hair from home, but for the government which requires you to pay to attend a hairdressing academy (who probably paid them kickbacks) for the privilege of paying to obtain a license. If you're broke then all of a sudden a job that you could have had for the cost of a pair of scissors is now prohibitively expensive.
    What's scary is how much of our job market is tied up with that stuff. Healthcare industry keeps getting absurdly more expensive per year, and they claim they have shortages...is that directly related to all the certifications and requirements, the limits on physicians, the limits on licenses of institutions that are legally allowed to instruct, etc? Same with attorney's, teachers, accountants, and on and on. It's maddening. It's like we intentionally stunt our market growth, and then wonder why people get left behind...they aren't being left behind, they are being excluded specifically by government rules.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Where it goes is irrelevant, you can't launder the money with technicalities babilfish. Government takes money from one,
    At which time, that money becomes the government's. Or are we not still debating your claim that the government forces employers to employ people?

    Honestly, you dropped your first stupid point but continued to pursue your second one, even though it's still a loser?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    If you think the barriers to entry are bad in hairdressing, try opening a restaurant.

    Just pricing the mandated commercial cooking equipment will crack your jaw on the floor.
    I remember having to go to a day long food handler's course when I worked at a restaurant (which basically boiled down to wash your hands) so for a while there, I was licensed to make sandwiches.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    I mean, honestly, what a stupid set of arguments.

    The type of stupid, ridiculous stuff Republicans come up with everyday to mask the fact that they either don't give two craps about the jobless or feel nothing but contempt for them.

    And then to insinuate that through taxation government is really forcing (indirectly, somehow) employers to employ people, in the process ignoring what it means to employ someone, what taxes are, and what public works are...

    What a horrible cluster**** of typical conservative stupidity.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    At which time, that money becomes the government's. Or are we not still debating your claim that the government forces employers to employ people?
    Honestly, you dropped your first stupid point but continued to pursue your second one, even though it's still a loser?
    I can see from your responses that you're going to really add some value here. Keep it up champ!

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    That's nice, I'm not sure how it answers my point that it's still a scare industry. You can't possibly shore up the large amounts of unemployed by telling them to turn towards cutting grass and cleaning houses, and it's ridiculous that you proposed such in the first place.

    Good god, not more bitching about taxes...

    Yes, with money that is it's own now, to do wish as it's mandated by the citizenry.

    Again, nothing having to do with employers being forced to employ anyone.

    God, what is wrong with conservatives? Honestly, if they're not dismissing the plights of the jobless they're misrepresenting the actual functions of government for whatever stupid nonsense they imagine government does.
    You can banter about these details all you want. Employment is still a contract, not a positive right. Even in the dystopian fantasy where the federal government employs all the jobless, there still must be terms associated with that employment, and the employee's decision to abide by those terms or not (and refuse the job). In no way can an employment arrangement be considered a positive right. Thus no one has a right to a job.

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