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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.



    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    But the real question is, do employers have a right to employees?
    No they do not. If they did, that would mean the employees have no freedom to seek other employers or means of employment. If an "employer" has the right to an "employee" that is by definition slavery.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    No, you don't have a right to a job. You earn that position somehow, but you are not guaranteed a job.

    I'll give that an emphatic no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The way they define it, that it is OWED to you, no. Emphatically no.

    Do you have the freedom to seek and procure employment? Yes.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hmmmm, I'm a bit of a constitutional purist and I don't believe anyone has a right right to a job, but I'm not sure how trying to guarantee one as a right would violate the Constitution.
    I don't see how it could be declared a right, as it obligates someone else to hire you, regardless of your fitness for a job. As an extreme example, suppose that a profoundly retarded individual claimed that he has a right to a job. Who is going to hire him, and if someone IS required to hire him, it would be an infringement of the business owner's rights.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, you don't. But you should. It's stupid and self-defeating that we don't guarantee people employment. Instead we make people hunt down work and compete for jobs, and then shame them when they don't have one. And use their desperation to keep wages and benefits down. We're all poorer because we don't do this.
    What exactly do you define as a right? I think that a workers' corps may be a good idea given that the work they do is actually productive and pays a reasonable market wage. But that is simply making it easier for them to get a job. Its not forcing employers to keep them on payroll against their whim and its not guaranteeing them employment regardless of how good/bad of an employee they are. That's just stupid.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What exactly do you define as a right? I think that a workers' corps may be a good idea given that the work they do is actually productive and pays a reasonable market wage. But that is simply making it easier for them to get a job. Its not forcing employers to keep them on payroll against their whim and its not guaranteeing them employment regardless of how good/bad of an employee they are. That's just stupid.
    Not a right to a specific job. Just a right to obtain employment, and a program to facilitate it. Probably needs to go hand in hand with the right to a living wage, too. The point is not to enslave people, it's to get people self-sufficient and able to engage in commerce and have high enough income to pay taxes.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not a right to a specific job. Just a right to obtain employment, and a program to facilitate it. Probably needs to go hand in hand with the right to a living wage, too. The point is not to enslave people, it's to get people self-sufficient and able to engage in commerce and have high enough income to pay taxes.
    Who should provide the guaranteed jobs?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Nobody has a right to a job. The flip side of that question would be "Does anyone who doesn't want to work have a right to be supported by the government?" Aka, unconditional welfare to all who want it, no questions asked. (Yes, I know some feel we already have that, but trust me, we don't! Yet. )

    In a perfect world, everyone who wants a job, needs a job, and is capable of performing a job would have a job. This is not a perfect world. America is based on equal opportunity for all, and in a perfect world that would be true. Again, not everyone will have the same opportunities, and life will be more difficult for some than others. People do have the opportunity to pursue education and training, so that they are qualified for jobs that become available. Alas, there are no guarantees in life that there will always be enough jobs for those who want them, or enough qualified applicates for employers who need them.

    Where people do have the "right" to a job, I guaran-damn-tee that they are living under a government that tells them what job they will have whether they like it or not, and does not afford the opportunity to pursue any other options. That's certainly not what I want, and I doubt many others want that either.

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