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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    You presume that the federal government actually has useful jobs for these people to do don't you? What if they don't?
    Describe what you mean by useful, and then I could explain if it is useful or not.

    As to adding zeros to bank accounts - I'm terrible at economics but won't that simply devalue everyone else's bank accounts and isn't that effectively the same as increasing taxes?
    The value of the dollar is determined just as much by production as it is by currency management. And when you add money to banks accounts of those who consume, more than save, it increases production.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Well there's no contract under yours. Only a parental-like obligation to citizens from government.

    The positive rights argument in general regards adult citizens as dependent children who deserve to be provided for, not as autonomous adults whose legally valid trade contracts may need to be enforced. If government is to provide us with our needs, making them positive rights, then we are depending on the external to meet our needs. It's like an adult child living at his parents' house. In some ways they're free adults, and in others they're still regarded children. I think that's typically an unhealthy way to live.
    Sure there is a contract. You want money, you work.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    Sure there is a contract. You want money, you work.
    That's a valid contract, in your opinion? Really? And doing what? In the real world, it goes "if you do this particular type of work, I'll give you this particular amount of money."

    In real contracts, there are specified terms and that are negotiated and accepted/declined. "Right to be employed" is either a thinly veiled attempt to control whoever has money (they can be ordered to employ people), or else it's a thinly veiled attempt to control whoever doesn't ("I've hired you so we now have you locked into a contract, now stand by while I figure out what the terms will be.") Real contracts work nothing like this right-to-employment proposition.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's a valid contract, in your opinion? Really? And doing what? In the real world, it goes "if you do this particular type of work, I'll give you this particular amount of money."
    You just said the same thing I did, please stop typing.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    This is the most non-sensical response I have heard in a while. I never suggested some guy printing up $20 bills and using them to provide or good or service. Stop using a strawman and address what I am saying.
    You're saying that the federal government can acquire goods by printing money and that this doesn't harm anyone, which is a load of manure.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You're saying that the federal government can acquire goods by printing money and that this doesn't harm anyone, which is a load of manure.
    How does it harm anyone? It helps the private sector by adding demand.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    How does it harm anyone? It helps the private sector by adding demand.
    No it doesn't. It redistributes demand to fatcat bankers.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    How does it harm anyone? It helps the private sector by adding demand.
    Think about the reason why counterfeiting is a crime, and you will come up with the answer.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    How does it harm anyone? It helps the private sector by adding demand.
    If printing money has no detrimental effect, why should anyone work at all? The government could just print money for everybody. The more the better.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Think about the reason why counterfeiting is a crime, and you will come up with the answer.
    Counterfeiting is a crime because the government doesn't want anyone just printing currency. The governmentis allowed to print money because they can control it, and it gives them monetary sovereignty to control the value of it. So the two are not related in any way.
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