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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Regardless of the above, what effect do you think handing out jobs will have on the job market? Do you think some people will not take private jobs in favor of public jobs if the public jobs are nicer based on their job selection criteria? If such jobs are less efficient (they are overall), won't this just compound the reduction in the overall economy, meaning less jobs, meaning more taxes to pay for public jobs, in a downard spiral?
    That's a great question, and it requires doing a cost-benefit analysis. Does the cost to hire, supervise/administer, and pay these people outweigh the value of the work they do, or does the work they do outweigh said cost?

    In the case of government jobs, I would argue that the cost of the job almost always outweighs the value of the work completed. Like a vast majority of cases. This means government jobs are by their nature inefficient. Sometimes that's a necessary evil, because in some cases the alternative is that it wouldn't get done at all, but for a confluence of reasons it needs to get done.

    And when it comes to "right to be handed a job to do" notions, it's an order of magnitude worse in that regard, because the process goes like this: Step 1) hire unemployed people... Step 2) figure out something for them to do. To do what work is an afterthought. The primary goal of right-to-a-job advocates is to stuff money into unemployed people's pockets, and the secondary goal is to get some sort of use out of them while we're at it. This is far from efficient. Efficient means you identify what actual work needs to be done and then you strategize to meet the need in the optimal way.

    I could not possibly disagree more with the idea that our federal government should be the employer of last resort. It is straight out of a dystopian sci-fi story, except that people increasingly seem to want it.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 04-26-13 at 04:56 PM.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    The sentences were not meant to go together.
    I'll break next time.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And where does the federal government get the goods that it exchanges for the food, shelter, and clothing that it acquires from the private sector?
    The federal government is monetarily soveriegn. IT would simply add numbers to the bank accounts of the people they are buying from. It happens all the time that way.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    So 1,000 years of political study has resulted in a society where everyone has a right to a job but no duty to support themselves or however many kids they choose to have?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.

    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    I won't answer the poll because it lacks the nuance of my answer. A right to something simply means that the government cannot legally restrict you from whatever the right is. It is not a guarantee that the object of the right is granted to you. You have a right to free speech and freedom of press, but that doesn't mean that someone has to provide you with a podium, or a radio/tv slot or a printing press, or space on their private land for you to exercise said right. You have the right to bear arms, but that doesn't mean that someone has to give you a gun. You have the right to freedom of assembly, but that doesn't mean that someone must provide you with a meeting room. And there are many other unwritten rights, that are things that simply present by supposed lack of authority of the government to have power over them. You have a right to medical care, but that doesn't mean that someone must provide it. It only means that the government cannot legally prevent you from obtaining it, nor, for that matter, a non-medical provider stop you from obtaining it.

    So likewise you have the right to a job insofar as the government cannot legally prevent you from seeking employment, but that doesn't mean that anyone is required to provide you a job....especially if you have no qualifications and you've done nothing to obtain them.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    The federal government is monetarily soveriegn. IT would simply add numbers to the bank accounts of the people they are buying from. It happens all the time that way.
    So the government steals from everyone and hands this wealth to those it wishes to hire. So you're saying that we should all pay to feed, clothe, and shelter those who cannot find jobs.

    Does the government have a right to demand that others feed, shelter, and clothe them. Does this imply that someone out there has a legal obligation to feed, shelter, and clothe them?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So the government steals from everyone and hands this wealth to those it wishes to hire.
    Stop here. The government isn't stealing, it doesn't need tax revenue to spend.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    Stop here. The government isn't stealing, it doesn't need tax revenue to spend.
    you are right-sort of

    the government proves it spends without having enough revenue to do it

    stealing is a matter of opinion.



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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    I don't want a job,thank god i'm retired!


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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    The federal government is monetarily soveriegn. IT would simply add numbers to the bank accounts of the people they are buying from. It happens all the time that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    Stop here. The government isn't stealing, it doesn't need tax revenue to spend.
    Would you agree that spending this way is just a different sort of "tax," e.g. a prospective tax (debt) or retrospective one (tax against savers)?

    I assume no, but I don't entirely understand why not.

    Anyway, overall it's unbelievable that 3 out of 20 around here think people have a right to be furnished with some sort of job to do, doing who-cares-what. I think these people do not understand basic human psychology. Adult humans are not psychologically capable of being this utterly helplessly dependent on the external for all their needs. It's just not healthy.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 04-27-13 at 03:53 AM.

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