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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    You mean like maybe provide them with 12 years or so of public education, then make funding available so they can borrow at a (relatively) reasonable rate in order to continue their education at the post secondary level, maybe incentivize service in the military by including educational funding as a "fringe benefit", add to that the ability to learn a trade while serving the country in case book learnin' ain't their thing, and all the while maintain a national dialog related to the importance of education in getting ahead?

    Don't take this as me being flip or obnoxious because that's not the way I intend it.

    But when you consider those things, and the many others which we do in this country already to provide people with skills or otherwise facilitate their getting a job I'd be curious how much more you think we can do or how successful any additional actions would be.

    Something like 14% of Americans don't even have a high school diploma and dropout rate in recent years has been in the neighborhood of 7% or 8%.

    It's one of those "you can lead a horse to water" type situations.

    The "tools" are there, but some people can't or won't make use of them.
    Sure, but don't you think most of that unwillingness to work is due to how unnecessary working has become?

    The tools are there but they don't really have to make use of what you and I have generously provided them with.

    That is what I take issue with. I'm not calling for all hand out programs to end at midnight tonight but it would be in everyone's benefit, including the poor, to gradually phase out these programs over a reasonable period of time.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you're saying that if someone can't find a job then it is the responsibility of these bureaucrats to hire the person and give them a wage. No one else is responsible?
    State institutions, public work programs.

    Where do these bureaucrats get the money to do all this?
    Taxes...

    Are we seriously having an elementary government conversation right now?


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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The fourth option might be to enact policies that encourage employers to move and or return to the country that could utilize their skills in a productive endeavor...
    So, you're calling for a totalitarian regime then?

    Brilliant. How is Intro to Political Science going this semester?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Citizens of the US and A.
    Why are we doing a basic government lesson here?
    Okay, so as I said before, if there is a right to a job then it means that someone else has a legally enforceable obligation to provide a job and wages. I then asked who would you say has a legal obligation to provide others with a job and pay?

    You said the federal government, but after some further examination, the real answer is that you think I have a legal obligation to provide others with a job.

    And I obligated myself how exactly?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Okay, so as I said before, if there is a right to a job then it means that someone else has a legally enforceable obligation to provide a job and wages. I then asked who would you say has a legal obligation to provide others with a job and pay?

    You said the federal government, but after some further examination, the real answer is that you think I have a legal obligation to provide others with a job.
    Yes i believe people do have a right to job. Meaning that the government will hire them to work on some public works program if they cannot themselves find a job through the "private market place". Is it that hard to understand?


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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes i believe people do have a right to job. Meaning that the government will hire them to work on some public works program if they cannot themselves find a job through the "private market place". Is it that hard to understand?
    No, it's not hard to understand at all.

    I understand; I just happen to disagree, because I consider such a scheme to be unethical. These government people are not justified in turning around and demanding that I and others pay for their choice to hire these people.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, it's not hard to understand at all.

    I understand; I just happen to disagree, because I consider such a scheme to be unethical. These government people are not justified in turning around and demanding that I and others pay for their choice to hire these people.
    Then we will have to agree to disagree


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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Then we will have to agree to disagree
    Okay, we'll disagree on when interpersonal violence is justified.

    I will continue to hold that the ONLY justification for violence is in RESPONSE to someone acting to uninvitedly affect another's person or property. You may continue to hold that interpersonal violence is okay to use against those who have harmed no one.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes i believe people do have a right to job. Meaning that the government will hire them to work on some public works program if they cannot themselves find a job through the "private market place". Is it that hard to understand?
    That's understandable, I mean, I think people are free to have a job WITHOUT that today, and I think from my perspecitve "right to a job" how you describe it, is a perversion, but I do understand it. And that yo would fund it by taking from others who have a job/income, and paying it.

    Do you think this is the most efficient way? What about all that government authority and power, isn't pooling of power bad? Isn't pooling power into a government authority, the one that makes the laws and can involuntarily force us to give them things...isn't that too much in one basket?

    Regardless of the above, what effect do you think handing out jobs will have on the job market? Do you think some people will not take private jobs in favor of public jobs if the public jobs are nicer based on their job selection criteria? If such jobs are less efficient (they are overall), won't this just compound the reduction in the overall economy, meaning less jobs, meaning more taxes to pay for public jobs, in a downard spiral?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes i believe people do have a right to job. Meaning that the government will hire them to work on some public works program if they cannot themselves find a job through the "private market place". Is it that hard to understand?
    It is to me. You couldn't be more inefficient if you tried.

    Well, maybe you could.

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