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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You think an employer is providing a good or service when he offers a job???
    Those who consider a job to be something you're entitled to have provided to you do. Such as those referenced in the OP.

    And while I disagree with ernst barkmann on many things, that's what he's saying. You're misunderstanding him, and you're trying to smear libertarians with the misunderstanding.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Not in the least. It's unfortunate that there is a limited amount of jobs available but no one can be guaranteed a job. That is a responsibility that should be left to the individual anyhow (besides some forms of assistance).

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I can't believe that this is even a question.

    No, nobody has a right to a job. To think otherwise is to be oppressive beyond measure.
    To say one has a right to a job means that others have an obligation to employ. That is slavery (i.e. control of another person)

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    To say one has a right to a job means that others have an obligation to employ. That is slavery (i.e. control of another person)
    Well, slavery is a form of oppression so on that front I agree with you. However, I'm guessing that since compensation exists in some form or fashion, it'd be closer to indentured servitude.

    If we elect any more far-left liberals, we may get to the point where a government will attempt to give itself obligation to employ. I hope it doesn't get to that stage, since zero effective unemployment is a symptom of today's mutation of communism. I'd rather not live in a communist society.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what if you want to work, and there are no jobs, is someone force to make no for you?

    what if you cant find one, is government duty now to find you one?

    do you get to pick the type of job your want?

    what if you want to work, but you suck at being a good employee, meaning your constantly late, dont work well with other people?

    guarantee a job, does that mean if the private sector will not hire you government has too?

    wanting a job, .....but being able to preform it property and get along with others and being responsible is another.
    Yes...if you want a job it should be provided. Whatever your talents be it a doctor or a ditch digger. If there's not enough jobs we have things we can find for you to do. It's a basic principle that if someone gives a best effort to work and be an employee they should have an employer.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes...if you want a job it should be provided. Whatever your talents be it a doctor or a ditch digger. If there's not enough jobs we have things we can find for you to do. It's a basic principle that if someone gives a best effort to work and be an employee they should have an employer.
    Really? That's great. I insist that you let me do your taxes next tax season. You'll find my compensation scale a bit to your disliking, but tough luck for you. I have a right.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Really? That's great. I insist that you let me do your taxes next tax season. You'll find my compensation scale a bit to your disliking, but tough luck for you. I have a right.
    As a private citizen I don't have to give you a job but if you want to work and can't find a job I'm sure we have roads that need repaving, a medical records system that needs modernizing, and various other tasks that provide both the public a benefit and can be used to gaurantee you a job.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    As a private citizen I don't have to give you a job but if you want to work and can't find a job I'm sure we have roads that need repaving, a medical records system that needs modernizing, and various other tasks that provide both the public a benefit and can be used to gaurantee you a job.
    Oh. So you think everyone has the right to a job, but you're immune to providing it. Gotcha.

    I'll go shovel an inch of snow off the street outside for an hour. That'll be a thousand dollars. I hope they have direct deposit - I hate going to the bank.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Well, it depends on the context of the question. It's obviously not a constitutionally guaranteed right.

    However, given that we have a social and economic contract, whose basic premise is that we're all better off by joining together, I think it's reasonable to that a right to a job is a genuine right.

    The social contract prevents me from doing things which I would be naturally free to do, like murder other people and take their food and tools, to ensure my survival. The tradeoff is supposed to be that I give up such freedoms in order to enjoy greater prosperity and stability. When I don't have a job (I do have a job, but I'm using "I" figuratively), I've fulfilled my end, by not murdering and pillaging, but society hasn't fulfilled its end.

    That's problematic, in my view.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    simple.....NOTHING can be a right if it is a good or a service.......its unconstitutional.
    Which provision is violated?
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