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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If I own my own business who exactly am I competing with for my job?
    If you own your own business why would you be looking for a job?
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when you use the term right, it says that you can do it /have it without a higher authority permission.
    You are not guaranteed to do or have anything without the permission of a higher authority.

    The collective will (or lack thereof) of society is the source of permission upon which all rights are predicated.

    as a privilege needs a higher authority.
    As does a right.

    any TIME the word RIGHT is used, people translate it to mean ITS THEIRS. something belongs to them.
    Rights are not posessions.

    Rights are rules.

    i deal in natural rights, not things that are created out of thin air that the people or government wants, which is what democracy is, ..........and america is not a democracy be it direct or representative.
    There's no such thing as a natural right, except those things that people have created out of thin air and called natural rights.

    If society, or its apppointed/accepted representative in governance doesn't recognize your right then it isn't a right.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELNOR View Post
    If you own your own business why would you be looking for a job?
    Indeed.

    If I had a job (running my own business) why would I be looking for a job?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Indeed.

    If I had a job (running my own business) why would I be looking for a job?
    Beats me, pal, but if you find yourself unemployed you'll be competing for whatever job your applying for. Which is how it should be.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    You are not guaranteed to do or have anything without the permission of a higher authority.

    The collective will (or lack thereof) of society is the source of permission upon which all rights are predicated.
    sorry no, i have freedom to act on my natural rights without government., i need government approval when it comes to privileges.

    america is not a collective society, in the sense of our rights, rights are individual, the founders state that plainly.

    if america were a democracy with democratic government you would be correct, however america is a republic with republican government, and rights are not collective.

    federalist 63--The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former.


    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    As does a right.
    incorrect, i dont need government approval to speak my mind.



    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Rights are not posessions.

    Rights are rules.

    rights are inherent, they are not dispensed by governments or the people, you have natural rights, ...........not civil, not human rights.



    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    There's no such thing as a natural right, except those things that people have created out of thin air and called natural rights.

    If society, or its apppointed/accepted representative in governance doesn't recognize your right then it isn't a right.
    yes there are stated by he founders, rights which are natural to the body.

    my rights existed before the creation of the constitution or the federal goverment, the constitution does not give or grants rights, it only reaffirms them , any government ending /restricting my rights are violating the supreme law.

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    governments have no authority over rights!

    The first ten amendments are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede all other parts of our Constitution and restrict the powers of our government and the rest of the Constitution, and the Constitution restricts the powers of government.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    The Constitution and only the Constitution is the mantra of the Federalists/Rogue Right until it isn't.
    Then you folks are "loose" constrictionists and want to rewrite the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    John Jay was a Federalist. He also was a patriot and one of the founding fathers of our nation.

    Re: John Jay and the Constitution and "the Law of Nations, it can be found here-> jilp.law.ucdavis.edu/issues/Volume%2014.../paust%20final%20pdf.p...

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    I'm on the other side of the equation. I'm an employer. So I read this as "Does anyone have the right to force me to employ somebody?" The answer there would be no. While there are undoubtedly some qualified people out there there are are some who are barely able to bathe themselves too. If there is no demand for the services of idiots I don't see why I would have to pay them.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The Constitution and only the Constitution is the mantra of the Federalists/Rogue Right until it isn't.
    Then you folks are "loose" constrictionists and want to rewrite the rules.
    can you rephrase that...

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm on the other side of the equation. I'm an employer. So I read this as "Does anyone have the right to force me to employ somebody?" The answer there would be no. While there are undoubtedly some qualified people out there there are are some who are barely able to bathe themselves too. If there is no demand for the services of idiots I don't see why I would have to pay them.
    no one has the power to force you hire someone, or make you perform an action unless you commit a crime.

    Section 1.
    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELNOR View Post
    Yea, it's enough to make you want to leave the country, give up citizenship then return as an illegal alien.
    I've thought about it. I'll denounce my American citizenship. Head to TJ and see if the Blue Ox Cafe is still in business and catch the "Donkey Show." When the sun sets I'll illegally cross the border as an "undocumented Democrat." I'll also will be considered to be a "protected group" so if those gringos call me a wetback or an illegal alien they will be labeled as racist.

    I'll make my way to a sanctuary city like Los Angeles and drop by MacArthur Park and purchase a social security card in which the SS number will actually belong to an America. But being one of the "protected groups" I don't have to worry about being prosecuted for identity theft where as an American would be prosecuted and be sent to prison.

    Have to purchase a green card and three or five drivers licenses all under different alias names. Never use your real name when your an illegal alien in America. If I get busted for a crime, I just don't show up in court and never use that name again.

    Even illegal aliens get horny. Time to find an illegal alien of the opposite sex. Pop out an anchor baby and it's like coming across a gold mine. Food stamps, HUD subsidized housing. WICS, ADC. Have to apply for a Tax Payers ID Number so I can get that Earned Income Tax Credit.

    Well I could use one of my alias ID's and get a job flipping burgers or I could stand in front of Home Depot and become a day labor and make $20. an hour cash under the table, no taxes !!!

    And when I get to old to work the Democrats should just about be ready to pass another amnesty. I'll be rewarded with a green card and can apply for Social Security Retirement Benefits even though I didn't pay in to the system.

    Conclusion, those American gringos are so stupid.

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