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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    All those jobs you see illegal aliens doing were jobs that use to be done by Americans, be it on a construction site, meat packing plant, an assembly line or flipping burgers. Most of these jobs use to be well paying jobs at one time before the illegal alien invasion. It's the illegal aliens who made these jobs undesirable and are responsible for depressing the wages in these industries. Twenty years ago I read a study where it showed that most Americans don't want to be working along side with illegal aliens. I guess today they would be called racist.

    Some industries have also conducted studies in particular the construction industry. What they found was that for every five illegal aliens who entered a trade, three Americans were displaced.

    The current amnesty being whispered about in Congress written behind closed doors and no input by the majority of Americans calls for increasing legal immigration from the current 1 million today to over 2 million per year and over 1 million of the visas (immigration or work visas) will be issued to unskilled and uneducated immigrants. All of these are very likely will use some form of public assistance

    The 11 million (probably closer to 20 million) illegal aliens who will be rewarded amnesty for breaking our laws will eventually be able to use "family reunification" to legally bring their family members in to America. The vast majority will be uneducated and unskilled and if we look at today's immigrants they will become dependent on government. (tax payers)
    Possibly, but being around farms and other areas, they haven't been able to get people to work for a longtime now.

    I doubt there will be that many. Lets face it, with Obamanomics and the possibility that someone like him will get elected next, they will be coming here for social welfare, not jobs. Those Americans seeking jobs will be sneaking across the Mexican-American border heading south looking for work because their won't be any jobs here.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Right to a job? No! Only the right to compete for a job.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    No.

    Double no since it's not mentioned in the Constitution.

    But there are some who believe that illegal aliens have a right to take American jobs away from citizens.
    Yea, it's enough to make you want to leave the country, give up citizenship then return as an illegal alien.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There is a distinct difference between the two concepts. The right to free speech doesn't require the input or approval of anyone else. The right to a job does. The right to seek employment would correlate more with the right to speak freely.
    The right to a job doesn't necessarially require the input of anyone else.

    I can be self employed.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELNOR View Post
    Right to a job? No! Only the right to compete for a job.
    If I own my own business who exactly am I competing with for my job?

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I didn't say anything about "institutions". No reason to drag them in to the discussion.

    My point relates purely to the "free exercise" clause of the 1A, which we commonly refer to as "freedom of religion", and is essentially the right to freely exercise religion.

    Another way to look at the matter is to say that we are at liberty to freely exercise religion.

    I recomended to X Factor back in post #47 in this thread, and I'll repeat the recomendation here, that you look into the difference between a "liberty" right as opposed to a "claim" right.

    A liberty right consists of the freedom to simply do or have a certain thing, a claim right consists of an obligation on others to allow or enable or ultimately provide a certain thing.

    You're taking a monocular view of this topic and looking at everything as either being a claim right or not being a right at all.

    I don't think that view is accurate.

    The simple fact that others aren't obligated to provide you with something doesn't mean that you don't have a right (aren't at liberty) to have it.

    I agree with you that nobody is required to provide me with a job (I have no rightful "claim" to a job), but that doesn't mean that I don't have a right (am not at liberty) to have a job.

    If you don't want to give me a job, and the government doesn't want to give me a job, I have the right to look elsewhere, or to obtain new skills/education which make me employable, or to open my own business, with the end being to obtain a job.
    when you use the term right, it says that you can do it /have it without a higher authority.. permission.

    as a privilege needs a higher authority.

    any TIME the word RIGHT is used, people translate it to mean ITS THEIRS. something belongs to them.

    i deal in natural rights, not things that are created out of thin air that the people or government wants, which is what democracy is, ..........and america is not a democracy be it direct or representative.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Possibly, but being around farms and other areas, they haven't been able to get people to work for a longtime now.
    When I was a kid, my mother used to take us to the farms to pick crops. I loved it because I had my own money in my pocket. now with child labor laws, parents can't do such things without having to pay a babysitter.

    as for the farmers crying they can't find workers...

    Supply and demand.

    The workers will come if the farmers either pay more, or our family subsidy programs make people work part time to stay on assistance.

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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    If I own my own business who exactly am I competing with for my job?
    The rest of the free market.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.



    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    No, a job is not a right.
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    Re: Do You Have a Right to a Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Surfing the net, I came across this.

    The Right to a job | Socialist Equality Party

    Interesting point of view. What do you think? Is having a job a right?

    Adding the poll right now. Answers will be yes, no and I don't know.
    Rights and obligations are two sides of the same coin. Every right implies a legally enforible obligation. To say that a person has a right to a job would imply a legally enforcible obligation for somebody to provide this job.

    Legal obligations are ultimately enforced with the use of (government) violence. However, violence is only justifiable when it is used to halt or punish someone acting to harm another's body or property. Using (government) violence to force someone to provide a job, is an unjustified use of violence, as the target has not himself harmed the body or property of anyone else.

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