View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The answer is none. Good evening pg. My wife is thinking of selling her half of the twins...
    Upgrading? Or lack of time to enjoy same? With all the labor-saving devices we have available, why don't we have more free time? That has perplexed me for quite a while.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Upgrading? Or lack of time to enjoy same? With all the labor-saving devices we have available, why don't we have more free time? That has perplexed me for quite a while.
    She gets bored easily... We actually have much more free time than in the past. I can wash and dry clothes with no wrinkles...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    She gets bored easily... We actually have much more free time than in the past. I can wash and dry clothes with no wrinkles...
    LOL! Watch out if she decides it might be fun to learn to fly a helicopter... :

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Upgrading? Or lack of time to enjoy same? With all the labor-saving devices we have available, why don't we have more free time? That has perplexed me for quite a while.
    Demands on your time increased with progress. With the relief on one aspect of daily life comes the expectation that that time can and should be filled up doing other things.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Acknowledging reality often is.
    You're paying the poor to be where you are, bitch at them.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I think it's more like the lower-class confusing rights with privileges and equal opportunity with equal outcome.
    The privileges you refer to (like welfare for the poor) are a distraction from the privileges enjoyed by those who control this country.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    okay

    socialism is beaten by capitalism in every round

    happy ?
    To answer your question first, but with another question, are there still socialist on this planet?

    No, socialism is not beaten by capitalism in every round. A closed capitalist system that does not have the education and resources can fail, even faster than a socialist society will ultimately fail. Such societies usually do not climb above minimum, hand to mouth levels either. Without an infuse of capital and knowledge, they simply cannot climb higher or will take centuries to do so while other societies advance even further ahead. To date, Japan, is probably the only society that ever could be called successful while using a closed capitalist system. But then, it did receive a lot of help following WWII, so it did not truly start as a "closed" system.

    Socialism is not always a failure at the start. Like a hydrogen fuel cell, it will take awhile to totally run down. It will however eventually run down because it always ends with the system attempting to equalize output for all without equalizing the input of all. It is impossible to get more out than what is put in. At it's core, Socialism seeks to create a "classless" society, in order for society to be without "classes" everyone must ignore value and also, everyone must be made equal regardless of their individual input. It is impossible to equalize every one at a high level because it draws more off of the system than is put into the system. Unfortunately for those who adhere to such a philosophy, there is no way to make all people truly equal. Each person has a unique combination of talents, intelligence, drive and education. It also does not encourage higher output from individuals, it cannot without creating class. In the end, the only way to equalize a society and do away with "class" is to have everyone at the lowest sustainable class level. For human societies, that is the slave class. While the individuals in such a society would not have an individual "master", they will be slaves to the society as a whole, but slavery is still slavery whether serving an individual master or a societal/community master. For those who do not believe it is true slavery, then perhaps you should check out what Marx says should be done to those who "revolt" against socialism.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Your beliefs don't make it true
    Unfortunately I get to see this played out on a weekly basis with my fiance's family, and hear about even more of it through them. What I hear literally sickens me at times. People who CAN work who choose not to. People who truly believe the Government and therefore the productive workers in this country are here to fix their mistakes and to support their worthless asses. Which makes it much more difficult for the people who do truly deserve assistance to get it.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    the separation of class is important, not all of us can be rich, we need people from all walks of life to make a society work

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    true, but congress applies handouts the nanny state... to the masses, and unions, planned-parenthood, environmentalist, and other special interest groups besiege congress for favors and money also.

    our government is bought by faction/special interest, because the checks and balances to stop that special interest are gone, removed by the government, allowing them more power, and more opportunity for corruption.
    Wrong. It's not that they are no longer there. It's that they were never there.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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