View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would love to see you balance the budget immediately without massive cuts to either entitlements or defense.

    As for Malthusianism being supported by evidence?
    Malthusianism is about overpopulation and tragedy of the commons, and that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the top 10% destroying the planet.

    When you make a proper rebuttal to my original post in this thread I'd be happy to reason it out with you.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    What about them?
    Do you think they are "stealing"? or whatever other derogatory/criminal term you'd like to use?
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    in my nanny state country, growing 1 - 2 plants for personal use is decriminalized in some states, and attracts a fine, but no conviction. Growers are required to attend an education program however, so that they are aware of the risks associated with cannabis use.

    seems the heavy handed republicans in the US have contributed to quite a different environment, which I guess is one of the main reasons why the US has the highest incarceration rate globally.
    There are a few states where growing isn't illegal and I know open use and possession is legal in some states even though the Fed still has it listed as criminal. At one time, possession of less than an ounce was not a Fed crime but that may have changed, IDK.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    to me, governance is not about force. It is about recognizing that some people don't seem to have an understanding of appropriate boundaries, so their actions have an overall negative impact in some way.
    Ah. And so making sure that those people obey those appropriate boundaries, do you think government uses:

    1. The threat of force without it's follow-up
    2. Force and the threat of force
    3. Pretty-Please's with Sugars-on-top

    ?

    So, for example, if I decide to cease respecting others' right to property, will the State A) arrest me, unless I threaten them with force B) use force against me if I resist arrest and then arrest me, or C) ask me nicely to stop stealing.

    putting governance measures in place is about ensuring that we have a common understanding of what we need to do for the organization/society to function effectively, and there is guidance so that we can achieve better outcomes.
    You are mistaking the intent with the means. The hope is that we are able to organize ourselves in order to achieve better outcomes. The means is to use force or the threat of force to make people organize in the manners that we hope will achieve them. We do not pass "our general belief that people should come together to support the elderly", we pass laws which state that you will give X% of the money you make to the state so that it can give that money to the elderly or else there will be punishment.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Do you think they are "stealing"? or whatever other derogatory/criminal term you'd like to use?
    There are many libertarians who consider taxes to be stealing, although many (typically minarchist libertarians) do not.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Malthusianism is about overpopulation and tragedy of the commons, and that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the top 10% destroying the planet.

    When you make a proper rebuttal to my original post in this thread I'd be happy to reason it out with you.
    Still waiting on that plan to balance the budget overnight without deep cuts to old-age care or defense.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    this post has white privilege written all over it Neo ... no sense of urgency for whites, is there? with time all these things would've worked work ... just be patient, right? there's a lot I like about Libertarians, but when it comes to race and racism, you come up pathetically short my friend ... BTW, have you had the opportunity to read some of Rand's daddy's racist newsletters from way back? and please, don't give me "He didn't know they contained that racist garbage. Just because the newsletter had his name at the top in BIG bold letters doesn't mean anything." Out of context? Nice try Trip.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Malthusianism is about overpopulation and tragedy of the commons, and that's not really what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the top 10% destroying the planet.

    When you make a proper rebuttal to my original post in this thread I'd be happy to reason it out with you.
    Well if the other 98% provided for their own food instead of depending on 2% to provide it for them maybe our planet will be in better shape. Get plowing......

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Still waiting on that plan to balance the budget overnight without deep cuts to old-age care or defense.
    Is overnight a prerequisite?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    There are many libertarians who consider taxes to be stealing, although many (typically minarchist libertarians) do not.
    The problem you've noted is that some think it's stealing and some don't, meaning there is no real consensus among Libertarians. What about you, personally? You've been defending the turf, so to speak, what do you think?
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