View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A huge problem cuz it shows that ****ing trickle down economics is a giant sham.
    The rich will now spend a vast majority of their money trying to shape the "rules of the game" in their favour more than they alerady have..
    Plus i dont see how you can view a vast inequality as a "good thing"


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    And socialism is the answer?

    Can you name a single country that actually started down the road to socialism and succeeded at not only achieving it but who's limited economic success was not totally dependent upon the capitalist markets in the world?

    Any country you can point to, you will find if you look at it without prejudice of your socialist desires, you will find that even where a large amount of socialism exists and they are somewhat successful, it is entirely dependent upon the capitalist world market. Most places that have even attempted socialism are some of the poorest places on the planet.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    The 'wealth gap' is only a problem in the eyes of those who look to someone else and see they themselves are lacking.

    If you want more wealth for yourself, then make yourself worth it. Educate yourself, learn new skills, provide your loyalty to a company and invest yourself in it.

    Time and time again I hear people howl about how underpaid they are. So, I respond, what are you doing to make yourself worth more to the company? Raises aren't given for doing the barest of minimums to keep the job, they're given because someone proves themselves to be worth more to the company. The Company doesn't exist to give you a job, it it exists to make a profit, providing dividends to those monetarily invested in the company.

    Those that achieve wealth don't do it by sitting back and waiting for someone to hand it to them, they take risks, offer something new or improve upon an existing 'product', invest their time, money, lives into it. And they sure as hell don't work 40 hours and call it done.

    There is no limit to 'wealth' and people claiming that the rich are keeping them down, are really doing it to themselves.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    In every society that has ever existed from the beginning of time, there have been three main levels (probably some sub-levels, but basically three); those at the top who do very well either through inherited wealth, hard work, taking chances, being clever or a combination of all of those things; those in the middle who work hard, save some and try to move up through the classes; and those at the bottom who, sometimes through no fault of their own and sometimes through their life choices, will always remain on the bottom of society. Those at the top do very well, those in the middle do ok and those on the bottom get screwed. From ancient Egypt through to modern society, that's the way society works and will always work and there is nothing that is going to change that. Governments go throw money into schemes designed to assist the poor and some of those poor will latch onto that money and still stay where they are for life. Some will see the value of an education and work damn hard to not have to depend on that money. Society needs those at the top; they hire people, pay wages which go into the economy (perhaps not enough wages, but that's life....don't like it then move on up through hard work). I am not an economist, I don't pretend to understand money matters except paying my bills etc. I do know that society really does need the top, the middle and the bottom layers.
    Everyone has the right to equal opportunity, but everyone is simply not equal. One of the first lies we tell kids, is that they can be anything they want, they just have to want it bad enough. That is simply not true. For example, I was never going to be able to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist no matter how much I would want to....don't have the intelligence or ability.....I was never going to be a super model....sure as hell don't have the beauty or the body for it! People have to get real.
    Top, middle and bottom, that's the way it works. Should those at the bottom be helped? Certainly, been there, done that and worked my way out of it. But you can only help so much, people really have to help themselves.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It would not be serious if the masses would just stop agreeing to bailing out failed banks and pathetic corporations.

    Stop agreeing to massive deficits that mostly end up in the rich' bank accounts.

    Stop trying to tax the rich by raising their income tax rates...that's not where the truly rich make their money - they make it through capital gains.

    Stop bankrolling the military industrial complex.

    Stop going so far into debt.

    Stop looking towards corrupt politicians to fix your problems AND STOP VOTING FOR THEM.

    Start using economic boycott against corporations you don't like/support.

    Stop agreeing to higher tax rates/fees/costs - demand lower taxes/fees/costs.

    Take more responsibility for your lives and especially for your mistakes (like too much debt).

    Stop just whining about it and actually do something about it.


    The only thing these massive deficits/QE's are doing is taking your tax dollars and giving them to big banks and major stockholders.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really, tell us how the trickle up economics is working in Russia.

    Russia!? Home of the oligachs!?


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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Really, tell us how the trickle up economics is working in Russia.
    Russia has one of the lowest tax rates in the industrialised world. The shape of the Russian economy is very far gone from the Soviet days, for better and for worse.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.

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    Why do I find myself agreeing so often with Reagan's quotes and yet find so many of his presidential policies abhorrent?
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Why do I find myself agreeing so often with Reagan's quotes and yet find so many of his presidential policies abhorrent?
    Because he was a two-faced jackass. While he was saying all those pretty speeches about perseverance and the American spirit, he was balls deep in backroom deals with what would now be called terrorists.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    How serious a problem is the wealth gap between the wealthy and the rest of us?
    To me, it's not an issue, because I have no envy for the wealthy. I work my job, to pay my bills and have a little fun in my life, and I had the foresight to choose a profession with great job security. The reason the gap is getting wider is because we have a significantly higher percentage of the population living on government-funded subsistence. This will, by necessity, place more people in the lower income class category. Well, that, and the fact that we've shipped so much of our manufacturing overseas.
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