View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    I don't know why this is a democrat Republican issue. Both of those groups are in league. It is the same thing that occurred prior to the great depression. We are already seeing the great depression consequences in Detroit.

    The two foot ball teams or what ever these groups are, their political ideology is almost indistinguishable (on the official level) are not the solution. They are in league with the robber barons of this century. I an not talking about the guy that makes 500 grand a year. But the guy that makes 50 billion a year. People that are friends with the politicians.

    Yes it is a serious problem, no socialism isn't the answer, maybe if w just stop giving them money it may help, but that is why our politicians are not the solution. Not just the so and so's or the such and such's but the entire body. Remember we the people are the government, the politicians are our servants.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Sure but there was little if nothing one could do to determine whether they would be noble or peasants.

    There is a great deal someone in the United States can do to determine where they fit in the financial spectrum and almost all of that is tied up in education, which we basically give completely free to the poor.

    Someone stocking shelves in Walmart isn't doing so because they spent considerable time and effort perusing a better future for themselves. Likewise, someone performing open heart surgery right now isn't doing so because he lazily drifted through life.
    While we definitely have a certain amount of control over our lives, we are restricted on what we do. Libertarians should know this better than anyone since one of the reasons why they oppose over-regulation and over-taxation is because they restrict what individuals can do.

    The so-called 'libertarians' in this thread are doing themselves no favors by defending our current corporatist economy (which is nothing like the free/open market they claim to advocate).
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    So, there are 100,000,000 unemployed laborers here in the United States?

    Are you sure about that, Clark? That seems foolish even for you.

    Of course I didn't say all 100,000,000 unemployed laborers that you've counted here in the United States can only get jobs in programing. I said if they had the right skill set they could find jobs and that was an example of a skill set.

    How many got degrees in computer science?

    How about degrees in engineering?

    Applied math?

    Physics?

    IT?

    How many of these 100,000,000 that you see went out to earn degrees or certificates in less difficult fields? How many of them became dental hygienists or LPNs? How many of them obtained a degree in physical education for elementary education?

    Maybe a better question for you is how many people sat their fat asses down on couches across the United States looking for a handout because they choose not to retrain and find new jobs?
    So you disn't look up post labor economy.

    Your last sentence proves you're just reciting memes.

    There are a handful of fields that are booming. Not everybody was born with the tools to do them. Doesn't matter how hard they try.

    "Everybody just needs to get off their lazy asses and better themselves" sounds good, thats why you are encouraged to repeat it.

    Doesn't mean it acurately reflects the issues facing us, nor does it offer a real solution.

    There aren't enough things that need doing that pay enough to provide an actual life for everybody that is alive. And machines are replacing them daily. AND more are reaching adulthood every day too.

    Y'all like to pretend its laziness that lies at the heart of our problems. Dependence, jealousy, wha7ever.

    What's really happening is something new, a permanent, continuing replacement of workers with machines. And real limits on new jobs foe those replaced.

    Our economic system is malfunctioning.

    If a society's economy is functioning properly, all boats shpuld be rising at about the same RATE. Everybody should be getting about the same percent fatter each year.

    This isn't happening and hasn't for 30+ years now.

    The top fraction of a percent has reaped the vast majority of new wealth/income during that time, while the lower 80% have seen their lot stagnate and even fall.

    And there are nowhere near as many "sucking on the public teat" as y'all like to claim. You are welcome to try to prove otherwise.

    Technology and the globalism it fosters have changed the game of capitalism at a fundamental level.

    All the old maxims are losing relevance.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Talking about a "post-labor" economy makes you look foolish. This is what happens when you attempt to teach post-modern pothead sociologists economics. They don't fix their stupidity, instead they inject their stupidity into economics.
    You are aware that economic is closer to astrology than it is to physics, right?

    It is not a "hard" science.

    So save your indignation.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    5 of them were contractors that benefitted from the housing boom, a couple more of them are rental property guys, and the others just though real estate and other deals. Point is their family lives suck, and they work 80+ hours per week every week, they dream of ways to make their next dollar.
    Yeah, but are they paying their fair share?
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    another one who believes fairy tales!

    I guess you don't know anything about Scandinavian economies?
    Yeah, yeah, liberals are quick to trot out the Scandinavian economies every time they want to socialize something in the US. It takes willful ignorance to completely misunderstand the striking differences between them and us, that make their way completely incompatible with our economy and culture. The difference in size, population and difference demographics are just three things that make their socialism incompatible with the US. If you like it so much, why not move there for about five years and see how it is? Liberals never seem to understand that things just don't scale up as easy as they think it will.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You are aware that economic is closer to astrology than it is to physics, right?

    It is not a "hard" science.

    So save your indignation.
    And sociology is closer to scientology.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    And sociology is closer to scientology.
    No it isn't.

    One is a "soft" science, the other is a religion.

    I always find it amusing when folks like you diamiss climate science and laud economics when they are pretty much the same thing.

    Attempts to quantify dynamic systems by the application of mathematical models.

    Neither are "hard" sciences. They don't produce universally reproducible results.

    2+2 ALWAYS equals 4. Raising taxes is sometimes followed by increased revenue. And sometimes it isn't. No true causal link can be established.

    So your snotty dismissal of my opinion is still just YOUR opinion, and economics isn't "real" science.

    Your entrail readers have no more or less credibility than mine just because yours tell you what you want to hear.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    If you believe its a problem, and you then engage our marketplace in an effort to solve that problem, I think it did its job.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    No it isn't.

    One is a "soft" science, the other is a religion.

    I always find it amusing when folks like you diamiss climate science and laud economics when they are pretty much the same thing.

    Attempts to quantify dynamic systems by the application of mathematical models.

    Neither are "hard" sciences. They don't produce universally reproducible results.

    2+2 ALWAYS equals 4. Raising taxes is sometimes followed by increased revenue. And sometimes it isn't. No true causal link can be established.

    So your snotty dismissal of my opinion is still just YOUR opinion, and economics isn't "real" science.

    Your entrail readers have no more or less credibility than mine just because yours tell you what you want to hear.
    Any area of study that asks readers to use their (sociological) imagination to come up with theories about the world is a religion. Well I sociologically imagine that sociology is sociologically imagined. Checkmate.

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