View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    easy, stop subsidizing such people as much as we do.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    apparently a lack of investment is one of your issues
    It is interesting that you have this fantasy that people who regard social equality as a good thing are themselves likely to be impoverished, or lacking in financial acumen.

    In general, I find that people who think in such limited stereotypes an be quite blinkered when considering investment options.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as responses go, that is a complete fail. ITs not my faul lots of people are unable to control their own destinies.

    if you don't get pregnant before marriage, if you don't abuse drugs or have felonies and if you get a diploma from HS your chances of being in poverty are less than 5%

    why should we worry about those who are in poverty because they get stoned, get knocked up or drop out of school



    the hand wringing ninnies ultimately want to take what we have to buy power through votes
    so why are americans, with lousy wages and the most appalling welfare system in the developed world, so lacking in motivation to better themselves.

    are you saying that half of your fellow americans are inherently lazier and less motivated than people in other western nations?

    why do you think this is?
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    A lot of the money in big global cities is now global with the mega wealthy often attracted to cities such as New York and London.

    In recent years the divide between the richest and poorest has became ever more apparent, for instance recently an apartment at One Hyde Park in London was sold for $216 million USD (140 million), whilst there is currently a house on the market in London on Carlton Terrace up for sale for $383 million (250 million). Then again London has always had it's mega rich streets (there are too many to even attempt to list), and many are now lived in by the mega rich from across the globe. Whilst Monaco an independent tax haven in the South of France also attracts the extremely wealthy from across the globe, indeed it's not who has the most expensive car in Monaco it's who has the largest yacht. Recession, what Recession

    The 140m flat: World-record price for Central London penthouse | Mail Online

    The 250MILLION home: London house set to become UK's most expensive property ever sold as it is put up for sale | Mail Online

    Azzam: The 400m, 590ft super-yacht that's going to put Roman Abramovich's nose out of joint | Mail Online

    Then again does such money really make people happy, just look at the recent story of Hans and Eva Rausing, and there are lots of other similar tragic stories regarding the super rich.

    Eva Rausing death': Billionaire Tetra Pak heir tells inquest he hid wife's body under 12 layers of clothes | Mail Online


    Monaco -home to the seriously wealthy.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    or how they want us to think that

    1) this is a problem

    2) and a government solution is going to be useful
    This problem is caused by government, but the problem does exist. Wealth is accumulating into fewer and fewer hands, social mobility is being destroyed, and we are starting to see an emergence of a real aristocracy, a country run for and serving only the top elite. This is product of corporate capitalism, the emergence of the corporate state. It's the death of free market.

    So yes you'll be able to point to a handful of people who have become relatively rich, but there are no trends which demonstrate true social mobility and rarely will even that handful accumulate true wealth on the absolute scale.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'd argue that was an inevitable outcome of any attempt at communism. Human nature doesn't change.


    We were communists long before capitalism.

    communism works great in small groups of like minded individuals.

    Capitalism is how we deal with all the Ghengis' and Alexanders without all the bloodshed and destruction.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    We were communists long before capitalism.

    communism works great in small groups of like minded individuals.

    Capitalism is how we deal with all the Ghengis' and Alexanders without all the bloodshed and destruction.
    We were communists when societies consisted of a few dozen people and had no resources. It easy to be equals when everyone is starving. Once you start meeting basic human needs for survival and societies grow larger and more complex, keeping that equality is antithetical to functionality. Inequality has always been a feature of settled civilization.

    If you want communism, feel free to move back into the woods.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    A lot of the money in big global cities is now global with the mega wealthy often attracted to cities such as New York and London.

    In recent years the divide between the richest and poorest has became ever more apparent, for instance recently an apartment at One Hyde Park in London was sold for $216 million USD (140 million), whilst there is currently a house on the market in London on Carlton Terrace up for sale for $383 million (250 million). Then again London has always had it's mega rich streets (there are too many to even attempt to list), and many are now lived in by the mega rich from across the globe. Whilst Monaco an independent tax haven in the South of France also attracts the extremely wealthy from across the globe, indeed it's not who has the most expensive car in Monaco it's who has the largest yacht. Recession, what Recession

    The 140m flat: World-record price for Central London penthouse | Mail Online

    The 250MILLION home: London house set to become UK's most expensive property ever sold as it is put up for sale | Mail Online

    Azzam: The 400m, 590ft super-yacht that's going to put Roman Abramovich's nose out of joint | Mail Online

    Then again does such money really make people happy, just look at the recent story of Hans and Eva Rausing, and there are lots of other similar tragic stories regarding the super rich.

    Eva Rausing death': Billionaire Tetra Pak heir tells inquest he hid wife's body under 12 layers of clothes | Mail Online


    Monaco -home to the seriously wealthy.

    Just because money doesn't buy happiness doesn't mean that inequality has no function.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    so why are americans, with lousy wages and the most appalling welfare system in the developed world, so lacking in motivation to better themselves.

    are you saying that half of your fellow americans are inherently lazier and less motivated than people in other western nations?

    why do you think this is?
    No, I think other nations protect their lazy and unmotivated using any measure necessary. And in countries like France and Greece, it is falling apart at the seems in front of our very eyes.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Or perhaps he has to much invested in his own ability to control his own person and property. The hand wringing ninnies, as he calls them, inevitably want control over our person (making us do things) and our property (taking things from us).
    this is a fantasy.
    In what sense to you consider it to be a fantasy? Progressive nanny-staters are all about controlling (regulating) other people and taking (redistributing) their property.

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