View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Do you carry around financial statements of 5 or 10 of your closest friends?
    No, and that's not what I'm asking for either. Statistics. You know what those are, yes? Aggregated data on large scale trends and magnitudes. What I'm asking for is not your personal testimony. Maybe you know 10 people. There's like 314 MILLION people in America. 10/314000000 is essentially zero. 10 proves nothing. I'm looking for you to provide the actual data and statistics which prove your claims. Not little personal testimonials about a null factor.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, and that's not what I'm asking for either. Statistics. You know what those are, yes? Aggregated data on large scale trends and magnitudes. What I'm asking for is not your personal testimony. Maybe you know 10 people. There's like 314 MILLION people in America. 10/314000000 is essentially zero. 10 proves nothing. I'm looking for you to provide the actual data and statistics which prove your claims. Not little personal testimonials about a null factor.
    Of course you are, like most people from your side of the fence, you want someone to spoon feed you everything or whine when they ask you to do the work yourself.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    then you aren't paying attention, many middle class citizens 10 years ago are multi-millionaires today
    more American myths.

    the majority of americans BELIEVE this to be the case, however research quite clearly shows there is LESS intergenerational mobility in the US than in comparable nations:

    The Brookings Institution said in 2013 that income inequality was increasing and becoming permanent, sharply reducing social mobility
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-..._United_States

    There are numerous primary sources that verify this:

    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/res...awhill_ch3.pdf


    http://elibrary.worldbank.org/docser...101492CE426D5B

    and the income gap just gets wider:

    Data from a number of sources [1] indicate that income inequality has grown significantly since the early 1970s, [2][3][4][5][6] after several decades of stability.[7][8] While inequality has risen among most developed countries, and especially English-speaking ones, it is highest in the United States.[9][10][11]

    Studies indicate the source of the widening gap (sometimes called the Great Divergence) has not been gender inequality, which has declined in the US over the last several decades,[12] nor inequality between black and white Americans, which has stagnated during that time,[13] nor has the gap between the poor and middle class been the major cause—though it has grown.[14] Most of the growth has been between the middle class and top earners, with the disparity becoming more extreme the further one goes up in the income distribution.[15] Upward redistribution of income is responsible for about 43% of the projected Social Security shortfall over the next 75 years.[16] The Brookings Institution said in 2013 that income inequality was increasing and becoming permanent, reducing social mobility in the US.[17]

    A 2011 study by the CBO[18] found that the top earning 1 percent of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007, compared to a gain of just under 40% for the 60 percent in the middle of America's income distribution.[18] Other sources find that the trend has continued since then.[19] In spite of this data, only 42% of Americans think inequality has increased in the past ten years.[20] Income inequality is not uniform among the states; as measured by the Gini coefficient: after tax income inequality in 2009 was greatest in Texas and lowest in Maine.[21]
    Income inequality in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    its amazing how attached some of you are to your fairytales, despite overwhelming evidence that reality is quite a different story.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Of course you are, like most people from your side of the fence, you want someone to spoon feed you everything or whine when they ask you to do the work yourself.
    No, I was just asking you to prove your point, but you can't. It's ok. You were making baseless claims trying to claim an aggregate effect on a small number data set, didn't understand statistics or data analysis; but I won't hold that against ya. You can't prove your point though is the lesson in all of this. You have no numbers above zero, and nothing more than assertion and supposition. Thanks.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    more American myths.

    the majority of americans BELIEVE this to be the case, however research quite clearly shows there is LESS intergenerational mobility in the US than in comparable nations:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-..._United_States

    There are numerous primary sources that verify this:

    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/res...awhill_ch3.pdf


    http://elibrary.worldbank.org/docser...101492CE426D5B

    and the income gap just gets wider:



    Income inequality in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    its amazing how attached some of you are to your fairytales, despite overwhelming evidence that reality is quite a different story.
    What is this? WHAT is this? Statistical analysis!? That has no place in arguments about broad social and economic trends! You just make assertions and deflect when anyone asks you to back up your point. Think about how easy scientific writing would be if we follow the Rocketman formula. Don't have to prove anything, make a claim, and when people want proof claim that they have to be hand fed information; but then don't give any information.

    (pssst, that was sarcasm).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    more American myths.

    the majority of americans BELIEVE this to be the case, however research quite clearly shows there is LESS intergenerational mobility in the US than in comparable nations:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-..._United_States

    There are numerous primary sources that verify this:

    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/res...awhill_ch3.pdf


    http://elibrary.worldbank.org/docser...101492CE426D5B

    and the income gap just gets wider:



    Income inequality in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    its amazing how attached some of you are to your fairytales, despite overwhelming evidence that reality is quite a different story.

    and it is amazing how liberals become so programmed by liberally funded institutions and studies, well no it is really predictable

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What is this? WHAT is this? Statistical analysis!? That has no place in arguments about broad social and economic trends! You just make assertions and deflect when anyone asks you to back up your point. Think about how easy scientific writing would be if we follow the Rocketman formula. Don't have to prove anything, make a claim, and when people want proof claim that they have to be hand fed information; but then don't give any information.

    (pssst, that was sarcasm).
    people like you and her only accept liberal programming, why would I waste my time?

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    people like you and her only accept liberal programming, why would I waste my time?
    I know, I know. Statistics is well known liberal math! I don't even know why we still use it! Damned commies!

    And you know what's leftist, socialist, liberal BS? Partial Differential Equations.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Someone is going to be rich, someone else is going to be poor. There isn't a problem. Want to be rich? Follow economics and build wealth for yourself. Find a high demand market, get an education where the job market for people within your discipline are needed and make money. Want to be rich? Be willing to make financial risks and invest money that will earn you a good return or lose value.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know, I know. Statistics is well known liberal math! I don't even know why we still use it! Damned commies!

    And you know what's leftist, socialist, liberal BS? Partial Differential Equations.
    I didn't do too well with those...
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