View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Upgrading? Or lack of time to enjoy same? With all the labor-saving devices we have available, why don't we have more free time? That has perplexed me for quite a while.
    Technology was supposed to free man from labor.

    So far, all it has done is free owners from labor COSTS.

    So instead of everybody having more free time for leisure/personal development, owners get more profits instead.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    In the U.S. this is not an issue, and is a sign of a free market. If it were an authoritarian government massively taxing and then enriching their party people that was creating the divide, that would be tragic. Note it would be tragic because of the lack of freedom though, and not in wealth disparity.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Technology was supposed to free man from labor. So far, all it has done is free owners from labor COSTS. So instead of everybody having more free time for leisure/personal development, owners get more profits instead.
    That's false. That's absurd. That's out-****ing-rageous. Compare our quality of life to 200 years ago. If you live similar to them, your cost of living will be so low that you will have an enormous amount of liesure time compared to back then. You omit that fact for what reason? The fact is you trade that liesure for your modern quality of life. That's largely a voluntary choice. The masses apparently prefer to live in climate controlled environments with HD TV and ice makers and eat out, while having similar liesure time to say 50 years ago. That's a personal choice.

    But generally the poor just died ages ago, and underclass worked sun up to sun down. That you think this has not improved is ridiculous. When's the last time you cut ice blocks for your fridge? When's the last time you had to ride your buggy into town for food stock? When's the last time you had to spend 80% of your life chopping firewood, hunting, and growing just to survive?

    You should be sentenced to life without technology for a month for such nonsense...you'd reform!

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Technology was supposed to free man from labor.
    So you think. But think about this, who is mostly responsible for designing such technology? Wouldn't be the geeks would it? They wouldn't have anything against people who tortured and tormented them in life, would they? Is it really labor saving or is it geeks getting revenge for the torment they suffered?

    Might explain why they can go to work when they know their work will hurt lots of people and then they don't feel guilty about putting a lot of "normals" out of work.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    There were rich people in the Soviet Union.

    Who sold the promise of a workers paradise with no intention of coming through.
    They were rich because the government owned the wealth and they owned the government.

    Thats what common ownership really means.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Technology was supposed to free man from labor.

    So far, all it has done is free owners from labor COSTS.

    So instead of everybody having more free time for leisure/personal development, owners get more profits instead.
    Have you taken 30 seconds to consider all the highly paid jobs that revolve around technology?

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    How serious a problem is the wealth gap between the wealthy and the rest of us?
    I would say it's not a serious problem at all.

    Ultimately, it is a matter of why a wealth gap exists and how difficult it is to overcome that gap. In our current dynamic the gap has existed because you have some people who have invested a considerable amount of time, effort, and money into their future and others who have basically done nothing but stick their hand out looking for charity. Virtually nothing more than getting a better education is required to overcome the gap.

    There are literally millions of students who will graduate in the next few weeks with associates, bachelors, masters, and doctoral degrees who will immediately jump into new tax brackets. Hitting "six figures" is almost guaranteed with a masters degree in something useful.

    In short:

    Work hard, graduate from a good college, then earn a MBA, JD, MD, etc. from a good program and you will do well.

    Drop out of high school, pop out a few kids, and shoot heroin and you will do ****ty.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Give me the stats! It's really not that hard. I'm sure there are some who are now millionaires (true wealth starts when one gains a net worth of billions in today's world), never said there aren't. But how many? What percentage? What are the statistics?
    Get out of your bubble, gain some drive and will discover some on your own and miight even become one of them

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    10 million is not middle class at all, that statement above means I am done with you on this as you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Be done with me if you like, bu the one who has no idea what he is talking about is you. A ten million dollar nest egg for a retiree is NOT upper class.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Be done with me if you like, bu the one who has no idea what he is talking about is you. A ten million dollar nest egg for a retiree is NOT upper class.
    so where does it start? I consider that upper class-



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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    THis says it all.....................


    Free Trade Doesn't Work: What Should Replace It and Why,
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