View Poll Results: How serious a problem is the divide between the wealthy and the rest of us?

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  • Not a problem at all.

    35 28.46%
  • A problem, but not a serious one.

    8 6.50%
  • A fairly serious problem.

    42 34.15%
  • It's not just a "problem." It's a catastrophe that is only getting worse.

    38 30.89%
  • This divide does not exist.

    0 0%
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if equality is impossible ,try social justice
    Define social justice.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Wrong. It's not that they are no longer there. It's that they were never there.
    wrong they were there...its called a mixed constitution.


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    THE second point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

    Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.

    whats let the cat out of the bag...the 17th amendment, and the expansion of government power.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Disaster? What sort of disaster?
    Too many desperate, angry, poor people will either require more and more subsidies to survive or will simply start taking rich's peoples money by force. It will also become a less successful economy in the long run with lower productivity, retail purchases and profits for corporations.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Jealousy is the only real issue. A spotlight shined upon it in the last election; some were against Mitt simply for being rich.
    Your answer is too simplistic. There are systemic problems associated with a gap being to huge. recognizing this is not a sign of jealousy. And I doubt any significant population opposed Mitt ONLY for being rich.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Any nation that has a small percentage of the population with tremendous/growing wealth and a large majority with dwindling wealth is going to have problems. I would say that nearly any of our political issues can be dealt with if we tackle the problem of poverty.
    The problem of poverty lies in the hands of the poor, they have to get off their lazy asses and make something of themselves. If they refuse to do so, if they just have their hands out for a government check and worse, if the government is giving them one, that's the problem. The wealthy have nothing to do with it.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem of poverty lies in the hands of the poor, they have to get off their lazy asses and make something of themselves.
    I am sure the lords said the same of the serfs in the Middle Ages.


    If they refuse to do so, if they just have their hands out for a government check and worse, if the government is giving them one, that's the problem.
    I oppose dependency in general (unless one is too young or too handicapped). BUT, I don't pretend that we have a system that inherently oppresses the common people and grants privileges to the elite.


    The wealthy have nothing to do with it.
    Those who control power have everything to do with it.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Disaster? What sort of disaster?
    not getting things their way.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    not getting things their way.
    Oh good. I was worried that you meant some people might act so as to harm their bodies or property.

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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I am sure the lords said the same of the serfs in the Middle Ages.
    The serfs were not living in a society where they have mass opportunity to seek their way in life.

    I oppose dependency in general (unless one is too young or too handicapped). BUT, I don't pretend that we have a system that inherently oppresses the common people and grants privileges to the elite.
    Yeah... graduated taxation is a real privilege.

    Those who control power have everything to do with it.
    Individuals have control, have the power, even in this socialist society.

    As JFK said, "A rising tide raises all boats."

    When government penalizes wealth and pours on regulation the poor have a more difficult time with upward mobility. When government doesn't try to level things out, when it allows people to be as wealthy as they like there are more jobs and that fuller employment raises wages. As Obama has made obvious to all but the blind, a heavy hand by government and a hostile unpredictable environment created by government hurts the most vulnerable the hardest.

    It's been known for thousands of years.

    The ancient Persians had a saying...

    When taxes were low, revenues were high...
    When taxes high, revenues low.
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    Re: The divide between the rich and the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Any nation that has a small percentage of the population with tremendous/growing wealth and a large majority with dwindling wealth is going to have problems. I would say that nearly any of our political issues can be dealt with if we tackle the problem of poverty.
    Cut off their electricity. It will reduce carbon output. A total Buy One Get One Free political deal.

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