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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right after the deficient is painful and we owe no other nation a dime.
    I agree, no more wars or militray involvement ANYWHERE until we pay off our debts.

    ohh, does that put you out of a job? sorry about that.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I agree, no more wars or militray involvement ANYWHERE until we pay off our debts.

    ohh, does that put you out of a job? sorry about that.
    The military doesn't lay people off. Jerry will be fine.
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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    ohh, does that put you out of a job?
    Not at all. It frees up a weekend a month.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Back then partisanship didn't matter as much as it did today. Kennedy, a Democrat, lowered taxes IIRC. It wasn't about following a strict party platform, it was each president doing what he thought was best for the time.
    Too bad that isn't allowed anymore.
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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    go back and re-read what i wrote. It appears that you are mis-understanding me.
    No I don't think I did, "its not the 60's anymore" is rather cut and dry, as is "so?"
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No I don't think I did, "its not the 60's anymore" is rather cut and dry, as is "so?"
    Harshaw said:
    I have zero problem with any of this so long as we return to the scope of government which existed when he was President. Which means everything the government does now, which it didn't do in 1960, gets chucked.
    and i simply pointed out that IT'S NOT THE 60's ANYMORE. He want the government of the 60s to return as all cave people do.


    glad i could clear that up for ya.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Harshaw said:

    and i simply pointed out that IT'S NOT THE 60's ANYMORE. He want the government of the 60s to return as all cave people do.

    glad i could clear that up for ya.
    Clear what up? You've not told me anything I didn't already understand, in fact this suggestion that we would be returned to cave people was addressed in my previous post:

    "You can roll back spending without rolling back civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, technology, workplace safety regulation or any knowledge gained since."

    What you're making is a fallacious argument, no one suggested or is it necessary to return to the 60's moral zeitgeist (which wasn't quite cave people btw, give them some credit.)
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Moreover when comparing tax rates on the wealthiest (and everyone else), this needs to be done through the lens of the time and conditions of that time. The effective rate wasn't anywhere near 91% or whatever lame number the left parades around.

    Here were the effective individual income tax rates of the 3 very high income AGI groups.

    $200,000-$500,000 group: Tax as Share of Amended AGI (%)

    1953 = 45.9
    1954 = 39.3
    1955 = 36.8
    1956 = 37.4
    1957 = 38.6
    1958 = 36.9
    1959 = 33.8
    1960 = 33.1
    1961 = 31.5

    $500,000-$1,000,000 group: Tax as Share of Amended AGI (%)

    1953 = 46.3
    1954 = 38.7
    1955 = 35.6
    1956 = 36.7
    1957 = 36.6
    1958 = 36.0
    1959 = 32.1
    1960 = 30.8
    1961 = 29.1

    Over $1,000,000 group: Tax as Share of Amended AGI (%)

    1953 = 49.3
    1954 = 38.8
    1955 = 35.8
    1956 = 36.1
    1957 = 40.0
    1958 = 33.1
    1959 = 30.6
    1960 = 31.3
    1961 = 27.2

    SOURCE: William Williams, The Changing Progressivity of the Federal Income Tax, National Tax Journal (1964)
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    One can easily see that the effective rate on the higher brackets lowered over the course of Ike's terms.

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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Fun Fact: The US interstate highway system was inspired by and based off of the Nazi autobahn.
    I think it goes back to the Romans Roads system. Of course, that does not disprove Eisenhower's inspiration being the Nazis but might suggest a Nazi autobahn root.

    Roman roads - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    PS. Our modern commercial airline system is also built upon highway type model, albeit invisible. With the airline industry, commercial airliners follow predefined paths in the sky to get from city to city including the requirement to fly at specific altitudes. The Roman Roads system were one of many unique characteristics of the Roman Empire that continue in some form to this day.
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    Re: Do you agree with this political meme?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Harshaw said:


    and i simply pointed out that IT'S NOT THE 60's ANYMORE. He want the government of the 60s to return as all cave people do.


    glad i could clear that up for ya.
    You didn't "clear" anything up. My point sailed about 50 feet above your head.

    You cannot compare what anyone does today with what Eisenhower did in the '50s, because all of the circumstances are entirely, utterly different.

    Of course, it often helps if you WANT to understand a point, and I don't think you really do here.
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