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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why? Our system is set up very clearly with a clear line of succession and strong laws and is not inherently relied on one person. Thats why we have a clear separation of powers. And hell when FDR died its not like the system collapsed.
    This should be ovbious. By changing leaders, we insure that the system itself is holding up the country and not cronyism and such from the leader. This is not grad school level system analysis here, and I think anyone can reason it with minor effort. If the system is capable of operating efficiently regardless of who is in office, then our system is strong and we do not rely on any individual excessively for our vitality.

    And just say to constituents oh you liked that guy representing you.. Too bad..
    Yeah, just like what is gonna happen to Obama at the end of this term.

    Really, this idea of "liking that guy" is rather backwards politics and a relic of a soon to be forgotten era. It's cult of personality, quasi-dictator crap that the western world left behind long ago. Only a reactionary could desire for politics or any country's political system to return to the era of politics by popularity. Today, we must make our decisions based upon policy and issues. Anyone who is voting based upon tribal or physical attraction to a leader is a relic of the past and a negative-impact voter.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    As i have said before in threads before this about term limits:
    "I believe they (term limits) are pointless. If people like you and you are a good leader and you are operating in free and fair elections the people can no longer vote for who they want. You also loose leaders, and experienced government officials. They are undemocratic. Plus democratic elections also are basically a sort of limit, they are a structural limitation, hense you have to win if you want to hold power.
    More reasons include if you cannot run for a position because of a term limit and a new leader is elected that person who previously held the position takes all the experience and essential skills and work experience, and when a new leader comes in they will have to develop this from scratch. Also leaders who have reached a term limit are more likely to ignore the will of the people and the promises they promised on the campaign since they wont face a electorate after their last term.
    They also serve little to no purpose. If you are popular amongst your people why should something such as a term limit hold your back for running again? It slows down democracy, and government."
    And Im sure you got the same answer as always, that being in power gives you power to keep yourself there. I think the country works best when more people have a hand in running it, not less.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's a double-edged sword. Part of keeping him in line is the threat of losing his job.

    (I suspect this is why second terms are always disasters.)
    We could solve that by adding in a recall option. However, with term limits, it doesnt matter. They will be out no matter what. Keeping him in line is the job of seperation of powers.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm pretty good with two four year terms max for the president.
    There should be term limits for the house and senate also. I think 2, 2 year terms.
    "Being President doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are"

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    There should be term limits for the house and senate also. I think 2, 2 year terms.
    I could go either way on congressional term limits. four years is way too short, though.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I could go either way on congressional term limits. four years is way too short, though.
    Why do you think it is too short?
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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I could go either way on congressional term limits. four years is way too short, though.
    Four years is a long time. Though Im sure we'll get the usual argument about institutional knowledge, which Ill counter with thats only a problem because govt is too large.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Why do you think it is too short?
    because it's only two short terms. it takes time in congress to get things done. with nothing but idealistic n00b rookies, the gridlock will be epic. you risk a congress full of inflexible freshmen, like the current crop of tea party Republicans.

    i tend to think term limits let the voters off the hook, but then again, i see the problem with the representative for life stuff. i think the best thing we could do to fix congress is this : let a computer redraw all districts using census data, and have this happen automatically every ten years. that will do infinitely more good than limiting congressional terms to four years.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Absolutely there should be presidential term limits. Part of the security of the country depends on checks and balances. Its why the house is set up the way it is, why the senate is set up with 6 year terms, and why the presidency is maxed at 2 4 year terms. The only change that should be made is the congressional election cycle, which should be 4 years with the election held two years from the presidential election.

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    Re: Should the president hav a term limit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    because it's only two short terms. it takes time in congress to get things done. with nothing but idealistic n00b rookies, the gridlock will be epic. you risk a congress full of inflexible freshmen, like the current crop of tea party Republicans.

    i tend to think term limits let the voters off the hook, but then again, i see the problem with the representative for life stuff. i think the best thing we could do to fix congress is this : let a computer redraw all districts using census data, and have this happen automatically every ten years. that will do infinitely more good than limiting congressional terms to four years.
    I think you're getting at the crux of the issue in Congress. Term limits make no difference in today's climate, the real issue is the gerrymandered districts that are designed to make sure one party wins. Sure, you'd get rid of a Michele Bachmann (to pick a name), but the way the district is drawn a different Republican is just going to get elected. And since she keeps winning, the lesson to that guy would be "crazy wins."

    It's not really a competitive district, and very few districts are. The parties are likely to nominate whoever is going to do their job and toe the line.


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