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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post

    That said, he seems like an educated, bright guy who probably knows he can stay silent or ask for a lawyer or whatever so it probably wouldn't matter either way.
    That sets a dangerous precedent. It takes a few seconds to say, hurts no one, and keeps the police from making assumptions about a person's intelligence and education.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    It is not important, I dont think his confession will be needed.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    That sets a dangerous precedent. It takes a few seconds to say, hurts no one, and keeps the police from making assumptions about a person's intelligence and education.
    I just learned this morning that when law enforcement decides to not Mirandize someone for public safety, nothing they say can be used against them. In my mind, that takes away any potential abuse. It's a good trade-off.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    ITs BS completely. The guy should be read his rights upon arrest. Period.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Exactly, people are confused because some are calling for a military tribunal instead of trial in a civilian court. Not reading him his Miranda is to his advantage. It will not take away his rights against self incrimination in court. I really dont see why everyone is so worried about this.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I just learned this morning that when law enforcement decides to not Mirandize someone for public safety, nothing they say can be used against them. In my mind, that takes away any potential abuse. It's a good trade-off.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I just learned this morning that when law enforcement decides to not Mirandize someone for public safety, nothing they say can be used against them. In my mind, that takes away any potential abuse. It's a good trade-off.
    I dont see how it is a good trade off. Does anyone know how reading a man his rights has any bearing on public safety?
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ITs BS completely. The guy should be read his rights upon arrest. Period.
    Despite what is shown on TV, it is not common practice to read people their rights upon arrest. Rights are read prior to interrogation about a crime, not usually upon arrest.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I dont see how it is a good trade off. Does anyone know how reading a man his rights has any bearing on public safety?
    Because some people automatically freeze up as soon as they are read their rights, even when it is questions that are not important about the case, while LE has found that some people will answer questions freely before being read their rights because of the fact that people have learned that if they don't read you your rights, stuff you say cannot be held against you (which is mainly true only if the police have begun questioning you, if you say stuff on your own and they haven't asked you anything about the crime, spontaneous statements can still be held against you most of the time).
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I dont see how it is a good trade off. Does anyone know how reading a man his rights has any bearing on public safety?
    If you can't figure that out, Kreton, most of us are very relieved you're not in law enforcement.
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    Re: No Miranda reading: Good or bad idea?

    Here is some more on their logic.

    This analysis answers a lot of questions, but shows that they are playing a very dangerous game here:

    Constitution Check: Are there limits on questioning a bombing suspect?

    Some three decades ago, the Supreme Court for the first time gave police and federal agents the authority to avoid giving criminal suspects Miranda warnings about their constitutional rights, when the public safety justified that suspension. That authority, given in the 1984 decision of New York v. Quarles, has since been expanded by lower courts so that, even if a suspect has claimed the right to remain silent or the right to a lawyer, the questioning can go on if the public safety threat remains.
    There is some risk that, if the public safety exception and the 2010 Justice Department memo are pressed too far by officers in the field, they could put in jeopardy their chances of using at later trials the evidence of crime that has been gathered. The calculation thus has to be made whether to run that risk. That involves a balancing of the needs of trial prosecutors with the needs of finding out about potential future threats.
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