I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
So you all of a sudden decided to post something after almost 2 years? ODD
Skip where does your link show how many are pro-life? Since you know everyone on here…….and you have a good idea of what they post and what their political, religious leanings are……name ten people who POST REGULARLY in the debates who are pro-life and against abortion . I am not talking about the posters who say they are pro-choice but against abortion.
The people who are anti abortion period.....
“What I believe in my heart through prayer is what I believe. No amount of persecution is going to change my mind and coerce me to forsake my religion.’
So your one of those Christians who calls himself a Christian but doesn’t believe and stand on scriptures? Who is persecuting you? All I did was comment that you would one day come face to face with God and will probably have to explain your position on abortion.
“Are you a vegetarian? Let's say that you are. YOU'RE KILLING GOD'S TOMATOES! Let's say that you're not. YOU'RE KILLING GOD'S CHICKENS! A fetus is a creation of God but that, in itself, does not place it on the same level as a human, now, does it? A fetus is a life form capable of becoming a human - in other (scientific) words, subhuman.”
I knew it, I knew it…….another who thinks animals are equal to humans. Another person who calls himself Christian and doesn’t know scripture.
“Well, then I guess I will right now. I'm coming out with a controversial statement: I don't believe in butchering innocent babies inside a womb.”
BUT YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABORT IF SHE WANTS.
Didn’t you say this?
Lachean said, “What utter bull****. You couldn't honestly believe that most of the people here actually condone the use of abortion as a method of birth control. Thats your straw man for the pro-choice position that almost NOBODY actually believes, just like your misuse of "pro-abortion".’
Most people here that have been participating in these abortion debates are pro-choice abortion for whatever reason and what ever gestational are the unborn is at.
"And what about those of us that know the many scriptures far more completely than yourself.....yet refuse to be called Christian becuase that might place us in a category that includes you?"
What a joke "the many" ........you know scriptures? i remember i think we talked about the Law......you had no clue then and still probably dont.
I'm sure you know the ones you toss out because they have to do with sin?
"Explain [myself]"? Sure... but first, are you Christian or not? I was being broad with the word "heathen". Are you offended by the word? Why? I mean, if the glove fits......
All I know about you is what you've said about Christian beliefs and the knocking down of King David, so I just assumed. If my assumption was wrong, then correct me.
I could care less if there was a law banning abortions. The only law I want is parental notification for abortions. A child needs parental notification to go on a school field trip, so why not for abortions? Both can be equally dangerous. Of this reminds me of an anecdote. My friend from North Dakota told me a story about when he went on a school field trip to the Buffalo Plains to see wild buffalo. He was dared by another student to jump the fence w/out being noticed just to say that he did it. Well, all went well until a male buffalo started running right at him. The zookeeper then had to jump the fence and rescue my friend. He could've been run over and smashed to death. Ditto (almost) for a minor going to have an abortion. She could die or become maimed in the process. I hope you get the idea.
I don't remember calling for a law on this particular thread, by the way...
Ah, the thread's title is "Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro-Abortion?" I answered the question. Can you? Certainly. But should you? Well, that's up to the Christian who believes in abortion rights. My faith is swayed everyday, just like any other Christian, but I TRY MY HARDEST to center myself again and to walk the reccomended path that Jesus has laid out for me. I don't want to sin, but sometimes I fail, just like EVERYONE ELSE. I'm not perfect, nor would I ever claim to be. Only God is perfect.
I believe abortion is murder. I believe life begins shortly after the sperm meets the egg.
Lame argument? I'm sorry you feel that way. See, now the "old me" would've gotten all teed off and called you a slur of names. I'll admit that that's what I wanted to do at first, but that would have gotten me no where.
Irrelevant...."Explain [myself]"? Sure... but first, are you Christian or not? I was being broad with the word "heathen". Are you offended by the word? Why? I mean, if the glove fits......
The only "Christian beliefs" that I have spoken about around here are the "fundamentalist" beliefs. As only the major beliefs stay the same from one denomination to the other. And, I also implore you to explain how I "knocked down" King David. As I only stated that a poem isn't a law. Thats all.All I know about you is what you've said about Christian beliefs and the knocking down of King David, so I just assumed. If my assumption was wrong, then correct me.
Than this makes you pro-choice.I could care less if there was a law banning abortions.
And I don't disagree with this either.The only law I want is parental notification for abortions.
Well, by being pro-life you are in the position of demanding there be a law banning abortion. The "moral" issue of whether or not you believe abortion to be moral or not is not the debate. This is debate politics, not debate morals. The debate is about the political aspect, I.E. Should it be legal. I don't necessarily believe that abortions should be used for birth control, nor do I think people who continue to have abortions should not be required to get on birth control. However, I do not think that it is the government's business making a law on this issue, and thus it should be up to the people who "choose" the correct action based upon thier own morals/belief system/life situation.I don't remember calling for a law on this particular thread, by the way...
We agree on something else.Ah, the thread's title is "Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro-Abortion?" I answered the question. Can you? Certainly.
Rights..... Women should have the right to choose. If that were to remain, and a christian could personally believe Abortion to be immoral, yet still believe that people in the free nation of the US should have the right to make that choice for themself, how would they be any less Christian? Is imposing your religious moral beliefs on everyone else in a free nation in the form of laws required to be a Christian? If so I have never heard of it this way.But should you? Well, that's up to the Christian who believes in abortion rights.
I understand. And for me, I don't believe that a human is a human until it is a human. If that makes any sense. Yes, it is a life when the sperm meets the egg, and yes, maybe it does have "human dna", but I don't believe that "DNA" is what makes something human. And if you are angry because "a life" is being ended, then I want you to eat nothing but dirt for the rest of your life, because any meat you eat has had its life ended, any vegetation you eat has also had its life ended, and I hope you don't spray any anti-bacterial cleaners on your countertop, cause your killing millions of lives. But I digress from my point. I don't believe ending just any "life" is murder. Its ending the life of an individual human.I believe abortion is murder. I believe life begins shortly after the sperm meets the egg.
However, I still disagree with using abortion as birth control, but I don't think it should be legislated. Because the rest of the country may not agree with my beliefs, and it should not be the job of the government to regulate morals.
I already forgot what this was all about.Lame argument? I'm sorry you feel that way. See, now the "old me" would've gotten all teed off and called you a slur of names. I'll admit that that's what I wanted to do at first, but that would have gotten me no where.
I must've taken what you wrote out of context or I misunderstood you. If you say that you didn't "knock down David" then I believe you. I refuse to call you a liar on this issue without proof.
It makes some sense... I guess. But once again, about the human-inside-a-human deal, I go back to David's wise opinion. Once the egg is fertilized I believe it to be human; especially once the heart and brain beigin to develope. As the fetus progresses thru it's different stages it becomes more human in appearance, but the DNA are still the "building blocks", our DNA is completely different from a dog. Can't forensic scientists use DNA tests to tell dog blood from human blood or whatever the scenario? But the Fetus' DNA is still a little bit different from the Mother's DNA, is it not?
When a cow is killed for food, that is fulfilling it's purpose. To feed humans, or dogs, or cats (pet food products...). It probably sounds cruel, but any Christian or Jew would agree that was cow's original purpose was food. Milk at first, but then Man was allowed to make hamburgers out of em' later on. Hehehe. But to 'murder' a human (unless in self-defense) is wrong. I'm against killing infants/fetuses, not against killing germs on the counter.
Well, see. Here's your problem. If you were a republican like me, instead of a democrat, you wouldn't have a lapse in memory. Because elephants NEVER forget...
How the hell did this thing end up revived?
It's from 2006!
You'd think it would've been archived by now.