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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    OK, Navypride....if you would please, re-read my comment and you will see it clearly states I have no issue with the death penalty, whereas you seem to state I do. Perhaps you simply misunderstood the post, and might gain insight from a second glance Old Chap.

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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    OK, Navypride....if you would please, re-read my comment and you will see it clearly states I have no issue with the death penalty, whereas you seem to state I do. Perhaps you simply misunderstood the post, and might gain insight from a second glance Old Chap.
    OK I apologize........It wasn't you that made the horrific comparison between murder in the womb and the death penalty............

    You have to understand I am fighting the good fight against Liberalism in about 4 threads at one time.........
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You have to understand I am fighting the good fight against Liberalism in about 4 threads at one time.........
    You sure do a lot of fighting.
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    You can call yourself Christian and believe anything you want. However, you must believe in two things:
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    That's all you need to be Christian, though certain denominations have more requirements.
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You sure do a lot of fighting.
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    You can call yourself Christian and believe anything you want. However, you must believe in two things:
    1. Jesus died for your sins and rised three days later.
    2. Believe in God.

    That's all you need to be Christian, though certain denominations have more requirements.


    Bingo!!!!!
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Bingo!!!!!
    So the end result is you can call yourself Christian and be Pro-choice only if you don't consider yourself a certain denomination of Christian that happens to be against abortions.

    Is that right?
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So the end result is you can call yourself Christian and be Pro-choice only if you don't consider yourself a certain denomination of Christian that happens to be against abortions.

    Is that right?

    Bingo!!!!.......heh

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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    Bingo!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Tecoyah
    Bingo!!!!.......heh
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yeah I am...........I told you when it comes to my religion I have my shortcomings.........
    So why can you disagree with the Catholic Church on the death penalty and still be Christian, but others can't disagree with the Catholic Church on abortion and still be Christian?

    If you had bothered to read the Bible before self-righteously condemning others, you might note Jesus said that you should remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your neighbor's. In other words, don't start condemning others for beliefs that you perceive to be "un-Christian" unless your OWN beliefs are totally pure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    Again you have to read the whole statement.......If I thought carrying the baby to term might affect her mentally then I would consider that the mothers life being endangered........
    But regardless of whether it would affect her mentally, you would "understand" her murdering what you consider to be an innocent human being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    Wrong again/still/always............Most Christians believe that life begins at conception and that clump of cells as you call it to satisfy your guilt for okaying butcering in the womb and so you can sleep better at night.....
    What most Christians believe has little bearing on what Jesus would have believed, or on what you can believe and still be a Christian.
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Mary set out with hate to a Judean town in the hill country where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leapt in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy spirit and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leapt for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”



    Assuming one IS Christian one cannot deny the "Spirit" hence one cannot call themselves Christians and be Pro Abortion/Choice! The destruction of the Spirit filled child would therefore be a self defeating hypocrisy.
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    Re: Can you call yourself Christian and be Pro Abortion/Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer Collins View Post
    Mary set out with hate to a Judean town in the hill country where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the child leapt in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy spirit and exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? For as soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leapt for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her by the Lord.”



    Assuming one IS Christian one cannot deny the "Spirit" hence one cannot call themselves Christians and be Pro Abortion/Choice! The destruction of the Spirit filled child would therefore be a self defeating hypocrisy.
    "Child" in the context above essentially means "offspring." The Aramatheans didn't have another word for it, and the translations are not perfect as it is. The part about "leaping for joy" is obviously a metaphor, since fetuses don't react emotionally to external events.

    The only Bible passage that even comes close to addressing abortion is this primitive law:

    "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth."--Ex. 21:22-25

    In other words, in ancient Israel, if a man hurts a pregnant woman and causes a miscarriage, he is only fined. But if he kills the woman, he is killed. In other words, a fetus clearly was NOT the equivalent to a human being in this society.

    I realize that not all Christians accept the laws of the Old Testament, which is fine. But that's the only thing that even relates to abortion in the Bible. The New Testament is even less sympathetic to the anti-choice crowd. Abortion is not mentioned or implied a single time.
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