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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Actually Bush wanted them to find out IF Iraq was behind the attacks. Which of course makes sense because Iraq was the only country we were at war with at the time.
    We weren't at war with anyone at the time, sorry. Unless we had troops on the ground, we were not at war.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American Intelligence is the best in the world. There is no way in hell--across the board--they ****ed up that badly in regards to Iraq. NO WAY. From the beginning, it's obvious as day the intent was to invade, and 9/11 was the perfect excuse. It's incredible to me that some here still refuse to see it.
    Well, the NIE whitepaper did move from the standard of probable to possible. That does explain quite a bit.

    Plus, our primary sources, 1 of which was flagged as a "drunken liar" by foreign intel and the other who had ulterior motives (aka, I want to lead the new country) both provided to be liars.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    AlQ was in Iraq and, while not able to strike the US themself, they were planning stuff. Do you deny this?
    You're the one refuting al-Qaida was used to promote the war.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    People who were there, as I recall, reported that Bush immediately wanted them to find some link between 9/11 and Iraq, even if one didn't exist. He was looking for a fight and his ego cost this country many billions of dollars and thousands of lives.
    No arguing that.

    I'm just not convinced of his motives one way or another. Many theories abound and chances are we'll never learn the truth, at least not for 50 years or so, at which point I'll be long dead.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You're the one refuting al-Qaida was used to promote the war.
    I'm refuting that AlQ was used as propaganda. That's your claim. AlQ was, in fact, in Iraq. They were, while not capable of striking the US themselves, making plans.


    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    He wasn't just concerned about their presence in Iraq, he used it as an excess to prop up support for the war at home by claiming, often, that they were planning other attacks on the US - and not just inside Iraq, just as the links show. He shouldn't have called it the "War on Terror", he should have called it "The Propaganda of Fear". It would have been a better description.
    I presume you meant "excuse".

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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm refuting that AlQ was used as propaganda. That's your claim. AlQ was, in fact, in Iraq. They were, while not capable of striking the US themselves, making plans.
    It was used as propaganda. I cited articles showing as much. There are other examples, that just happened to be the one that came up first. Were you not in the States from 2005-08?


    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I presume you meant "excuse".
    Spell-check sometimes does that, and my typing is atrocious.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It was used as propaganda. I cited articles showing as much. There are other examples, that just happened to be the one that came up first. Were you not in the States from 2005-08?
    All I've seen you post is one article in which Bush claimed AlQ was in Iraq and making plans - and that was true. Thus, I see no propaganda.

    Spell-check sometimes does that, and my typing is atrocious.
    I was just double checking to make sure, as that made your claim more clear than the latter part of the post.

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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    All I've seen you post is one article in which Bush claimed AlQ was in Iraq and making plans - and that was true. Thus, I see no propaganda.
    Propaganda

    2 :the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
    I see nothing there that says anything about spreading lies.


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    Politicians constantly use pieces of the "truth" to further their agenda. This is nothing new. Declassifying and citing said "truth" a week before Congress is scheduled to re-assess how much money should go toward the war certainly did further his cause - at least, he assumed it would or he most likely wouldn't have wasted his valuable press time with it.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I see nothing there that says anything about spreading lies.


    Propaganda - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    But it wasn't a lie. You admit that AlQ was, in fact, in Iraq and that they were making plans.

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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We weren't at war with anyone at the time, sorry. Unless we had troops on the ground, we were not at war.
    BS

    We were at war with Iraq and had been for a decade. Plain and simple. Anyone who denies that is either ignorant of history or a POS liar.

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