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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    We know now that everything the Bush Administration said about Iraq's WMD and ties to al-Qaida turned out to be untrue.


    Do you believe that if all the key judgements in the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) were 100% true, it would have been reason enough to invade Iraq?


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    Here is a link to the October 2002 Key Judgements:


    https://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I just noted that they did use 9/11, or at least the fear of al-Qaida, later in the war. I didn't mean to imply they used it as an excuse to invade.
    What are you talking about? "They" never used 9/11 later in the war. Nor was a fear of AlQ used. AlQ in Iraq is a local organization entirely incapable of hitting the US - everyone knows that.

    First, I was referring to the invasion.
    Second, you replied with false claims.
    Third, you admit those claims are false and you never meant them.
    Fourth, you make more false claims.

    Where is this going?

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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I can't blame him for not trusting us, either. If he had told us we wouldn't have been able to keep our big mouths shut and Iran would have benefited.
    Maybe, maybe not. I think you're making some presumptions about "our big mouth". He might have secured protection for open inspections... we'll never know.

    The fact is, he intentionally deceived the UN inspectors in attempt to maintain the possibility of WMDs and a development program. That's not the US's fault. He brought it upon himself.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What are you talking about? "They" never used 9/11 later in the war. Nor was a fear of AlQ used. AlQ in Iraq is a local organization entirely incapable of hitting the US - everyone knows that.

    First, I was referring to the invasion.
    Second, you replied with false claims.
    Third, you admit those claims are false and you never meant them.
    Fourth, you make more false claims.

    Where is this going?
    -First, I was referring to the invasion.
    -Second, you replied with false claims.
    And I admitted what I had posted could have been mistaken to mean "an excuse for invasion" (even though there IS an explicit time difference since I used the phrase "ran out"). I further noted that it was not my intention to imply it was an excuse for invasion. I'm sorry I didn't measure up to your level of English purity in my first post.


    -Third, you admit those claims are false and you never meant them.
    Yes, I did. Should I now judge you because you failed to understand that "ran out" obviously could not have referred to the invasion since it explicitly means time has passed?


    -Fourth, you make more false claims.
    Bush's Intelligence on Al-Qaeda in Iraq - TIME
    There are plenty more relating the Iraq war to domestic terrorism supposedly planned by al-Qaida.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    9/11 nor AlQ was used as a reason for invasion.
    9/11 was not used later in the war.
    The "fear" of AlQ was that they could destabilize or control Iraq. This is not a "used AlQ" but a fact and it was, in reality, a danger.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    9/11 nor AlQ was used as a reason for invasion.
    9/11 was not used later in the war.
    The "fear" of AlQ was that they could destabilize or control Iraq. This is not a "used AlQ" but a fact and it was, in reality, a danger.
    From the link:
    President Bush declassified portions of a 2005 intelligence assessment Tuesday that alleges that Osama bin Laden authorized allies in Iraq to plan operations both in and outside of that country targeting the U.S.

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    The declassification came just as the White House was in final negotiations with Congressional Democrats about a 2007 supplemental spending bill for ongoing military operations in Iraq.

    Read more: Bush's Intelligence on Al-Qaeda in Iraq - TIME
    President Bush said Wednesday American intelligence had shown that as late as 2005, al-Qaida was planning new attacks outside Iraq that were thwarted by the timely capture of key leaders of the terrorist group.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=10347835
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    From the link:
    Do you deny that AlQ was in Iraq then? If you accept that as fact, then how is it "using AlQ" to be concerned about their presence?

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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American Intelligence is the best in the world. There is no way in hell--across the board--they ****ed up that badly in regards to Iraq. NO WAY. From the beginning, it's obvious as day the intent was to invade, and 9/11 was the perfect excuse. It's incredible to me that some here still refuse to see it.
    Believe me, intel isn't as good as you think it is. Especially in nations that we have alienated. Sure, we can find a guy in the US who blew up the Boston Marathon. We can track a guy to the UK easily as well. But we cannot get inside the Irans and North Koreas of the world. We have distanced ourselves so much that any American is going to be viewed as a threat.

    It's also ridiculous to say that Pres Bush intended on invading Iraq all along. Sure, they had been a thorn in our side for awhile. But I do not recall any leanings toward going in there until after 9/11 happened. I don't agree with us going in there regardless, however, I don't think we always intended to go.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    No, but they used the "al-Qaida Connection" as an excuse once the WMD excuse ran out. :-/
    Of course, it was never about terrorism, it was never about weapons of mass destruction, it was Bush's personal vendetta against the guys who tried to kill his daddy. We spent many billions of dollars on a personal vendetta.
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    Re: Another Iraq War Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you deny that AlQ was in Iraq then? If you accept that as fact, then how is it "using AlQ" to be concerned about their presence?
    He wasn't just concerned about their presence in Iraq, he used it as an excess to prop up support for the war at home by claiming, often, that they were planning other attacks on the US - and not just inside Iraq, just as the links show. He shouldn't have called it the "War on Terror", he should have called it "The Propaganda of Fear". It would have been a better description.
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