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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    In most circumstances I agree, every once in a while though you have a real problem with people like these latest clowns who will purposefully cause choas, I mean, the two brothers did that without a need to escape, imagine if they have tons of targets and want to distract law enforcement by creating casualties.
    Yes, so now terrorists know that 2-4 people can shut down an entire major US city. We will panic and piss ourselves instead. Doesn't matter how stringent laws and surveillance are when you just have to hide a few people within millions. So great job, I just hope enemies of ours were not paying attention.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    99% of the time I would say lockdowns are excessive, there was something spectacularly concerning about these two.
    I don't necessarily disagree with this, but being the committed and convinced slippery-slope theorist that I am, I fear the...

    "Well, it worked, we got the bad guy, and everybody seemed to think it was a good idea, so... let's pass some new laws and make it standard operating procedure. But, only for the most serious situations, of course (*wink wink, nod nod*)"

    ...mindset, and we'll end up with even more erosion of our Constitutional protections.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with this, but being the committed and convinced slippery-slope theorist that I am, I fear the...

    "Well, it worked, we got the bad guy, and everybody seemed to think it was a good idea, so... let's pass some new laws and make it standard operating procedure. But, only for the most serious situations, of course (*wink wink, nod nod*)"

    ...mindset, and we'll end up with even more erosion of our Constitutional protections.
    It's a fair concern, and one that I would be the first to admit if they started doing this. Look at different variables though, serial killers(identity unknown), bank robbers(won't engage non-specific targets as a rule, general public safe), but then you had these two who willingly placed lethal explosive devices right next to women and children with the intent to harm.

    In a case like the last, you get innocents out of the line of fire, and cut off escape. Hopefully making the perpetrators desperate and bring them out. Normally this wouldn't work but this was that 1% of cases where I think it was the right call.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, so now terrorists know that 2-4 people can shut down an entire major US city. We will panic and piss ourselves instead. Doesn't matter how stringent laws and surveillance are when you just have to hide a few people within millions. So great job, I just hope enemies of ours were not paying attention.
    To be fair, these two were stupid enough to set the field in front of thousands of witnesses and stayed alive to be persued. Many of these terrorists go on suicide missions so they wouldn't force the same result. This was a one in a million event with specifics that probably won't be seen again.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    To be fair, these two were stupid enough to set the field in front of thousands of witnesses and stayed alive to be persued. Many of these terrorists go on suicide missions so they wouldn't force the same result. This was a one in a million event with specifics that probably won't be seen again.
    I would say in general with terrorism over here, that would be true. But it doesn't mean tactics couldn't evolve; particularly if they witnessed such unintentional success as this pair pulled off.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    No. We don't live in the land of the secure. We live in the land of the free.

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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would say in general with terrorism over here, that would be true. But it doesn't mean tactics couldn't evolve; particularly if they witnessed such unintentional success as this pair pulled off.
    Oh sure, and if copycats do start exposing themselves to force lockdowns then the tactics have to evolve as well. I think Boston made a good call this particular time.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    of course the logical answer simply depends on the criminals

    couple people that stole a couple gallons of gas? or course not
    terrorist of the boston bombers, yes especially since that "lockdown" was voluntary
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    of course the logical answer simply depends on the criminals

    couple people that stole a couple gallons of gas? or course not
    terrorist of the boston bombers, yes especially since that "lockdown" was voluntary
    It's always going to be situational. In the NYC attacks of 9/11 the majority of the damage was done, the assailants were dead, and the situation while ****ed up severely was for the most part stable. In Boston the two crackpots were very much alive, mobile, and causing havok. Law enforcement could have made the call either way in Boston and probably been correct, I don't think I would have made a different one knowing the suspects were likely still in the city.
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    Re: Should the government be allowed to put a city on lockdown to catch a few crimina

    To catch a bank robber, no. To catch someone setting off bombs, yes.
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