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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Says who? Just because a bunch of guys, standing around a table, signing a piece of paper thought so 250 years ago doesn't make it so. There's no such thing as inalienable rights.
    The "that's just your opinion" defense can go in all directions so it's a discussion-stopper.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The "that's just your opinion" defense can go in all directions so it's a discussion-stopper.
    No, it's the truth. If you're going to claim that there is any such thing as "inalienable rights", it rests on your shoulders to demonstrate that it actually exists objectively. You can't just run around and demand that it's true, you have to prove it. Let me know when you intend to do so.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    "The belief that you can get something for nothing ... that you can get the government to take something by force from other people and give it to you, like the money for your healthcare, for example. Has been tried many, many times before and has failed everytime."

    I gather he wasn't talking about George Bush forcing Democracy onto the Iraqi people or Mitt Romney passing the same healthcare plan in Massechussetts?

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it's the truth. If you're going to claim that there is any such thing as "inalienable rights", it rests on your shoulders to demonstrate that it actually exists objectively. You can't just run around and demand that it's true, you have to prove it. Let me know when you intend to do so.
    How about my right to practice my religion? Is that not an inalienable right?

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it's the truth. If you're going to claim that there is any such thing as "inalienable rights", it rests on your shoulders to demonstrate that it actually exists objectively. You can't just run around and demand that it's true, you have to prove it. Let me know when you intend to do so.
    I posted a video that explains it eloquently. Neither I nor anyone else has a burden of proof to demonstrate that we have rights (to life, liberty, property). The onus of proving anything is on whoever might seek to deprive another of them, and that onus is to show that there is just cause to do so.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I posted a video that explains it eloquently. Neither I nor anyone else has a burden of proof to demonstrate that we have rights (to life, liberty, property). The onus of proving anything is on whoever might seek to deprive another of them, and that onus is to show that there is just cause to do so.
    If you're going to assert that under our legal system, you have inalienable rights, then there is no burden of proof, except maybe for those who are completely ignorant about how our legal system works

    However, If you're going to assert that we have inalienable rights, independent of our legal system (as the belief in Natural Law asserts) then you most certainly do have a burden of proof. You not only have to show that these inalienable rights exist as something independent of any legal system, but that this Natural Law also exists
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you're going to assert that under our legal system, you have inalienable rights, then there is no burden of proof, except maybe for those who are completely ignorant about how our legal system works

    However, If you're going to assert that we have inalienable rights, independent of our legal system (as the belief in Natural Law asserts) then you most certainly do have a burden of proof. You not only have to show that these inalienable rights exist as something independent of any legal system, but that this Natural Law also exists
    "Proving/showing" a fundamental principle like natural right exists is the same basic task as proving/showing that God exists. There is nothing concrete that can "prove" its existence. It is either believed or it's not.

    For those who do not believe in any sort of natural/inalienable rights, government is God, as it is considered infallible, and the individual is amoral.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How about my right to practice my religion? Is that not an inalienable right?
    Tell a Christian to go to Iran and openly practice their religion and tell me how inalienable it is.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I posted a video that explains it eloquently. Neither I nor anyone else has a burden of proof to demonstrate that we have rights (to life, liberty, property). The onus of proving anything is on whoever might seek to deprive another of them, and that onus is to show that there is just cause to do so.
    Wrong. Just claiming that a thing exists is not the same thing as demonstrating that it exists. Making up rules doesn't make the rules valid. If you cannot actually demonstrate that natural law exists objectively, just wanting it to exist doesn't make it so.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wrong. Just claiming that a thing exists is not the same thing as demonstrating that it exists. Making up rules doesn't make the rules valid. If you cannot actually demonstrate that natural law exists objectively, just wanting it to exist doesn't make it so.
    I repeat #57. I know what you're trying to say but I think we are talking past each other.

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