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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    By what standard???
    He probably is referring to the metric that measures total output per worker, or conversely, per hours worked. We've slipped to fourth in that regard in recent years however.

    Labour productivity levels in the total economy

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I will grant you that the "ownership" piece of self-ownership has always felt slightly amiss to me, but I don't think that makes it a false premise. What I would have said instead of "you own yourself" is "you have inalienable rights."
    There is nothing amiss about it. It's the backbone of liberty and life and the extension of estate.

    Ownership- the exclusive right to control something. How is it possibly amiss?

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is nothing amiss about it. It's the backbone of liberty and life and the extension of estate.

    Ownership- the exclusive right to control something. How is it possibly amiss?
    I agree with it personally but I call it slightly amiss in terms of how I would phrase my defense of liberty to those who aren't particularly fans of it. Ownership to most people implies transferability and they nitpick about that, whereas inalienability is not open to transferability (pardon the redundancy). That's why I would reference inalienability -- so that those who have a weaker concept of liberty have a better chance of comprehending.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I will grant you that the "ownership" piece of self-ownership has always felt slightly amiss to me, but I don't think that makes it a false premise. What I would have said instead of "you own yourself" is "you have inalienable rights."
    That's vague and difficult to build off of. Even specifying those rights does you little good because there are most likely exceptions. The only "inalienable" rights I know of, and some have argued they're so basic they're not rights at all, is the right to attempt to survive and the right to attempt to reproduce. All animals have these basic "rights" or attributes, if you prefer. Past that you're into man-made constructs.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I agree with it personally but I call it slightly amiss in terms of how I would phrase my defense of liberty to those who aren't particularly fans of it. Ownership to most people implies transferability and they nitpick about that, whereas inalienability is not open to transferability (pardon the redundancy). That's why I would reference inalienability -- so that those who have a weaker concept of liberty have a better chance of comprehending.
    It's not a matter of a "weaker concept of liberty". Pure anarchists might believe you have a "weaker concept of liberty", so that phrase really goes nowhere - unless you're a pure anarchist, meaning no law at all.

    Ownership does, indeed, imply the ability to transfer/sell. That's not nit-picking, that's the truth. In fact, in this particular case, they go on to point out the ability to buy/sell what you own as you please when you please as long as it's mutual - so "transferability" of property is a significant point in the further development of this ideal. If that point doesn't stand at the foundation then any further development of property in that direction is arbitrary.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    I voted YES. I didn't listen to the whole thing, just the first few minutes. I have listen to Bill on several accounts before. Already agree with him.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then again, you're a liberal, so that doesn't say much.
    Yeah, I am a liberal so what do I know? Half the country's too dumb to comprehend your groundbreaking video

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    I think this quote characterizes Liberalism and Conservatism:
    "Liberalism is the philosophy for our time, because it does not try to conserve every tradition of the past, because it does not apply to new problems the old doctrinaire solutions, because it is prepared to experiment and innovate and because it knows that the past is less important than the future."

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Yeah, I am a liberal so what do I know? Half the country's too dumb to comprehend your groundbreaking video
    I didn't make the video, I didn't post it here. You were saying something about dumb?
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I will grant you that the "ownership" piece of self-ownership has always felt slightly amiss to me, but I don't think that makes it a false premise. What I would have said instead of "you own yourself" is "you have inalienable rights."
    Says who? Just because a bunch of guys, standing around a table, signing a piece of paper thought so 250 years ago doesn't make it so. There's no such thing as inalienable rights.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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