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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Not conservatives, but republicans. The mistake is understandable, but they are not one and the same by a long shot.
    That differentiation is dependent upon past coalitions and that coalition's placement on a spectrum. From what Sangha has described is part of a conservative philosophy, and the mechanism for ensuring that conservative viewpoint is through governmental action and regulation. Just because there are paradoxes or contradictions does not make it not part of conservatism.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Not conservatives, but republicans. The mistake is understandable, but they are not one and the same by a long shot.

    Yes the federal gov't got rid of slavery, but they didn't start a war to do it, the south started it. This gave Lincoln the perfect opportunity to end one of the greatest injustices the U.S. has ever seen.

    I do agree with the Sherman anti trust acts mainly because these were inter-state monopolies and thus could not be handled by the states alone. National parks should be state parks and state run IMO.

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    However, Whittle means something mildly different.
    America is exceptional in that it is the most productive per unit of population in the world. There is something exceptional about the U.S.
    By what standard???
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Not conservatives, but republicans. The mistake is understandable, but they are not one and the same by a long shot.

    Yes the federal gov't got rid of slavery, but they didn't start a war to do it, the south started it. This gave Lincoln the perfect opportunity to end one of the greatest injustices the U.S. has ever seen.

    I do agree with the Sherman anti trust acts mainly because these were inter-state monopolies and thus could not be handled by the states alone. National parks should be state parks and state run IMO.

    Exceptionalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    However, Whittle means something mildly different. America is exceptional in that it is the most productive per unit of population in the world. There is something exceptional about the U.S.
    For the most part I agree...yes Republican does not equal conservative but I believe the parties are split don't purely ideological views (conservative vs liberal) than they've ever been.

    Yes the south fired the first shot but when the abolishionist won the House and Executive branch the writing was on the wall for the south. They could always count on some northern Dems and Whigs to vote in their favor at that point a party was created based solely on slavery won control.

    For the Sherman anti-trust and national parks...I guess I mainly pointed those out because you really have attacked "progressivism" as some great evil but both are example of progressivism in action. The conservative view at the time was for non-intervention into US markets.

    As for the exceptionalism this is where I widely disagree with Whittle.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Did you watch the whole video?

    What does progressivism progress to?
    Apparently communism and death, lol

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    I had to vote yes and no. Some of it is right on, some of it isn't. It's just not an all-or-none proposition.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Apparently communism and death, lol
    Then you didn't pay attention. He said that the ideas liberals want to put into practice have already been tried, and have been massive failures in the past.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then you didn't pay attention. He said that the ideas liberals want to put into practice have already been tried, and have been massive failures in the past.
    I paid attention. It's a stupid message.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    I paid attention. It's a stupid message.
    Then again, you're a liberal, so that doesn't say much.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I think this video nails the philosophical underpinnings of conservatism.

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    When you start with a false premise the rest of your reasoning is questionable.

    There are many ideas presented that almost everyone in the Western world agrees with but that doesn't mean they agree with how you got there.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    When you start with a false premise the rest of your reasoning is questionable.
    I will grant you that the "ownership" piece of self-ownership has always felt slightly amiss to me, but I don't think that makes it a false premise. What I would have said instead of "you own yourself" is "you have inalienable rights."

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