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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post

    What does exceptionalism mean? I've seen it used as a stick to beat to criticism of the government. Why do conservatives tend to label things like "anti-american" or "doesn't believe in exceptionalism" at persons that disagree with the actions of a government. Doesn't exceptionalism take work? Like sometimes you have to criticize the government in order to meen any idea of exceptionalism?
    It means a lot of things. For one, it can mean greatness or power, or at least, an aspiration toward it. Second, it can mean some sort of metahistorical narrative regarding destiny, whether for better or for worse. For instance, references to a beacon of liberty, city upon a hill, and so forth. Related to this is immense pressure put on the United States or the colony to fulfill its role, lest it be punished or ridiculed by God or by mankind in a manner never-before-seen. It can also simply refer to a significant distinction between the United States and many other nations, be they explicitly European or much of the world. This last notion takes on many different forms. It can be anything from "the U.S. was founded upon an ideology" to "the U.S. has a higher rate of gun violence than X number of countries throughout the world."
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    The video you posted is vary close, if not exactly, what the founding father wanted the U.S.A. to be. We have strayed far from that path. Now it is our duty to get back to it.
    They were never a monolith. This is probably the worst idea you could promote. There are still ideas that many Founders thought acceptable that would be deemed wholly too big government, too imperialistic, too anti-democratic, too...whatever.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    It also leads to social progress, such as equality for women and minorities - or at least the removal of legislative and social barriers to progress in those areas. And Socialism does not lead to Communism - otherwise you'd have half the countries in the world, including all of Scandanavia, Marxist.
    American conservatism leads to social progress as well in that it dictates that all humans are worthy of equal treatment before the law. Something that Lincoln (a conservative Republican) fought for. But under the same banner as social progress are the socialists who fight for greater involvement of government. Now those who once fought for social progress fight against it because (much like the democratic party) it has been co-opted by the socialists. Meanwhile republicans have been portrayed as the representative of conservatism in America when they have long since lost the right to bear that title. Conservatives need a new party to fight for them, so the more hardcore libertarians created the tea party which has been ruthlessly attacked by the media which means that no one take them seriously.

    *Inhales, ending rant*

    What you say about socialism is largely true in that it doesn't lead to communism. Marx was wrong.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    American conservatism leads to social progress as well in that it dictates that all humans are worthy of equal treatment before the law. Something that Lincoln (a conservative Republican) fought for. But under the same banner as social progress are the socialists who fight for greater involvement of government. Now those who once fought for social progress fight against it because (much like the democratic party) it has been co-opted by the socialists. Meanwhile republicans have been portrayed as the representative of conservatism in America when they have long since lost the right to bear that title. Conservatives need a new party to fight for them, so the more hardcore libertarians created the tea party which has been ruthlessly attacked by the media which means that no one take them seriously.

    *Inhales, ending rant*

    What you say about socialism is largely true in that it doesn't lead to communism. Marx was wrong.
    Debatable to say the least. First off, you have to contend with the extensive history of American conservatism where there was a significant amount of elitism and anti-democratic attitudes. This showed itself in numerous forms. I consider elitism and anti-democratic attitudes as sometimes very necessary and good. This isn't a dramatic criticism of the concept. However, conservatism has many different flavors and concepts that can often contradict themselves.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They were never a monolith. This is probably the worst idea you could promote. There are still ideas that many Founders thought acceptable that would be deemed wholly too big government, too imperialistic, too anti-democratic, too...whatever.
    May by I am giving them to much credit. But they were very intelligent. They wrote the constitution, but recently it have starred to be ignored by law makers.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    That conservatism has, to me, become a dirty word due to their extremists....is a shame...
    IMO, both the tea baggers, the conservatives, and the libertarians are all polluted with extremists.

    I'll not waste my time on their childish videos and no vote ( at this time ) of course..

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    May by I am giving them to much credit. But they were very intelligent. They wrote the constitution, but recently it have starred to be ignored by law makers.
    The Constitution was always a matter of debate from those that created or accepted its presence. Present concerns are present concerns, but the battle over the Constitution started during the Washington administration.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    That conservatism has, to me, become a dirty word due to their extremists....is a shame...
    IMO, both the tea baggers, the conservatives, and the libertarians are all polluted with extremists.

    I'll not waste my time on their childish videos and no vote ( at this time ) of course..
    What's the good conservatism?
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is where it gets tricky..."small government" conservatives under Bush like Paul Ryan were voting for his big government agenda.

    Small government conservatives have passed things like a Doctor isn't allowed to ask a patient if they own a gun, pregnant women are forced to get ultrasounds before an abortion, they've supported laws to create a state religion, they always pushed for more spending on the military....honestly if you believe in small government and are afraid of a government take over how do you support a military anywhere the size of ours.

    Small government how? States rights? It was the Federal Government that ended segregation and ended slavery.

    Small government as in less government intervention across the board? Do you agree or disagree with the Sherman Anti-Trust Act? The creation of national parks? So that Yellowstone is open to the public and kept clean rather than surrounded by touristy high rises?

    What does exceptionalism mean? I've seen it used as a stick to beat to criticism of the government. Why do conservatives tend to label things like "anti-american" or "doesn't believe in exceptionalism" at persons that disagree with the actions of a government. Doesn't exceptionalism take work? Like sometimes you have to criticize the government in order to meen any idea of exceptionalism?

    Edit: I also think this guy spends a lot of time attacking views of a very small % of the population...or at least creating broad generalizations for the "other side".
    Not conservatives, but republicans. The mistake is understandable, but they are not one and the same by a long shot.

    Yes the federal gov't got rid of slavery, but they didn't start a war to do it, the south started it. This gave Lincoln the perfect opportunity to end one of the greatest injustices the U.S. has ever seen.

    I do agree with the Sherman anti trust acts mainly because these were inter-state monopolies and thus could not be handled by the states alone. National parks should be state parks and state run IMO.

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    However, Whittle means something mildly different. America is exceptional in that it is the most productive per unit of population in the world. There is something exceptional about the U.S.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    No, he's as full of **** as any other teabagger

    They don't believe in small govt. They want a totalitarian govt that forces children to pray, forbids teachers from teaching about reproductive science and evolution, forces teachers to teach absurd religious doctrine.

    Oh, I know what you're thinking - "The Tea Party isn't about social issues!!!!". Well, that's BS. They do.

    But even if you leave the social issues aside, and concentrate on Big Govt, the fact is the teabaggers support Medicare and Social Security, and if you ask them what programs they want to cut, they can't name anything that comes close to costing more than 1% of the budget.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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