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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    If a party is defined by the intelligence of who votes for it then the Democratic party is realllyyyyyyyyyy in trouble...... .
    Gee, aren't you the poster who started a thread complaining about posters who engage in name-calling instead of civil debate?

    I didn't know your thread was so self-referential
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Gee, aren't you the poster who started a thread complaining about posters who engage in name-calling instead of civil debate?

    I didn't know your thread was so self-referential
    Hey now, at least I gave a wink along with it.

    That automatically makes it okay.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    If a party is defined by the intelligence of who votes for it then the Democratic party is realllyyyyyyyyyy in trouble...... .
    oh come on-Obama Phone woman is a mensa and all those clowns Howard Stern interviewed (what do you think of Obama being against abortion and a member of the NRA) were just aberrations!! all those gimme gimme gimme obamabots were just pretending to have the IQs of iguanas



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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Then we are talking about different versions. Progressivism tends to favor greater government intervention in daily life, which leads to socialism, which, according to Marx, is only a step towards communism.
    According to Marx Communism is a step towards Socialism not the other way around.

    Progressivism doesn't necessarily lead to socialism the same way that libertarianism doesn't necessarily lead to Anarchy. We both know that these don't automatically lead to their extreme's

    A great book which describes progressivism fairly well is called the "Politics of Hope" by Johnathan Sacks I highly suggest reading it.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    If a party is defined by the intelligence of who votes for it then the Democratic party is realllyyyyyyyyyy in trouble...... .

    Something tells me alot of the rancor I hear coming from the Right these days is actually frustration arising from the inability to dupe anyone beyond the base...........................

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    According to Marx Communism is a step towards Socialism not the other way around.

    Progressivism doesn't necessarily lead to socialism the same way that libertarianism doesn't necessarily lead to Anarchy. We both know that these don't automatically lead to their extreme's

    A great book which describes progressivism fairly well is called the "Politics of Hope" by Johnathan Sacks I highly suggest reading it.
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    huh? No, socialism was a step to communism. Communism to Marx was the ultimate classless, moneyless society where everyone voluntarily produces what they can and consume what they need. It was the transition from "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" to "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

    Communism was the final stage to Marx.

    Progressivism may not ultimately lead to socialism, but they both share common roots and ideal principles. I sincerely never believe Rush or Beck or any of those nutcases when they said that the liberals were just Marxist lovers and socialists. But when I actually read up on Marx and some of his theories, I was quite shocked at just how similar his theories are to modern day left-wing politics, even if it modern liberals have watered it down somewhat.

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Something tells me alot of the rancor I hear coming from the Right these days is actually frustration arising from the inability to dupe anyone beyond the base...........................
    Strange, what makes you think we are the ones who are being duped?

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Strange, what makes you think we are the ones who are being duped?


    The Right has succeeded in divorcing itself from everything North of a certain line on the whole planet, let alone this country.......................Except for Russia, which remains a hopeless cesspit......................

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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    huh? No, socialism was a step to communism. Communism to Marx was the ultimate classless, moneyless society where everyone voluntarily produces what they can and consume what they need. It was the transition from "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" to "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

    Communism was the final stage to Marx.

    Progressivism may not ultimately lead to socialism, but they both share common roots and ideal principles. I sincerely never believe Rush or Beck or any of those nutcases when they said that the liberals were just Marxist lovers and socialists. But when I actually read up on Marx and some of his theories, I was quite shocked at just how similar his theories are to modern day left-wing politics, even if it modern liberals have watered it down somewhat.
    Marx's "Socialism" described in the transitions of Communism is not actual Socialism, but just a title Marx used for his thesis. Marx could never clearly describe true Socialism and the closest he came was in the final stage of Communism he described.

    Socialism itself is still a broader subject than just Marx's and Engle's manifesto. Effectively Marx's perfect Communism is equal to a general perfect Socialism.

    So you were right in the specifics to Marx, I was just thinking too broadly.

    Well every moderate step you could say is a watered down version of it's extreme alternative. I see many parallels to Anarchy and libertarianism just as you see parallels between Progressivism and Socialism. I still appreciate freedom and believe it is something that we should preserve and cherish, but at the same time I feel we need to take appropriate actions to make sure the irresponsible actions of a few don't have negatives consequences for the many.
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    Re: Does this video explain conservatism accurately?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Strange, what makes you think we are the ones who are being duped?
    The facts
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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