Would you marry a stripper?

Perotista said:

A friend of mine once told me when I asked him why he was always paying for prostitutes. He replied he wasn't paying for the sex, he was paying for the right to be able to walk away in the morning a free man with all obligations prepaid.

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All bull hockey and moral judgement aside, is there really that much difference between a modern bar/club skank and the average stripper anyway?

They both flaunt their bodies for male consumption and they both use their sexuality as a tool to entice money and favors out of men. Frankly, unless a guy happens to be some sort of millionaire adonis, his odds of successfully convincing either to sleep with him are rather slim all things considered.

One simply happens to make a living out of doing it, whereas the other does it for fun.

Just sayin'...

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Peter Grimm said:

Too pure for STD's? Hell yeah, STD's are nasty!

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Well yeah, that's stating the obvious.

Gathomas88 said:

Frankly, all bull hockey aside, is there really that much difference between a modern bar/club skank and the average stripper anyway?

They both flaunt their bodies for male consumption, they both use their sexuality as a tool to entice money and favors out of men, and, unless a guy happens to be some sort of millionaire adonis, his odds of successfully convincing either to sleep with him are rather slim all things considered. One simply happens to make a living out of doing it, whereas the other does it for fun.

Just sayin'...

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If you can't get the bar room skank to sleep with you, you've got issues! :lamo Just sayin' . . .

ChrisL said:

If you can't get the bar room skank to sleep with you, you've got issues! :lamo Just sayin' . . .

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Nah, I just tend to avoid them because I'm not a huge fan of herpes. :lamo

Gathomas88 said:

Nah, I just tend to avoid them because I'm not a huge fan of herpes. :lamo

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Well I'm just saying that I don't think you have to be some millionaire Adonis to get with the bar room skank is all. :mrgreen: Because that's what you said.

ChrisL said:

Well I'm just saying that I don't think you have to be some millionaire Adonis to get with the bar room skank is all. :mrgreen: Because that's what you said.

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Well... To clarify, some women legitimately fill the stereotype, and some simply enjoy acting like they do (though both are happy enough to let you spend absurd amounts of money buying them drinks). The latter type seems to be depressingly common amongst my generation.

I have a friend who's a male model. He's confident enough to literally snatch women out of passing crowds like a fisherman casting a line.

Even he seems to strike out a good nine times out of ten on average before he finally manages to reel one in. :lol:

Gathomas88 said:

All bull hockey and moral judgement aside, is there really that much difference between a modern bar/club skank and the average stripper anyway?

They both flaunt their bodies for male consumption and they both use their sexuality as a tool to entice money and favors out of men. Frankly, unless a guy happens to be some sort of millionaire adonis, his odds of successfully convincing either to sleep with him are rather slim all things considered.

One simply happens to make a living out of doing it, whereas the other does it for fun.

Just sayin'...

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I do not know about the states, I did all my running around in Southeast Asia many, many moons ago. Most bar girls, prostitutes if you will was just trying to make a living and some made a darn good living. Prostitution wasn't frowned on there as it is here in the states. Heck when I was stationed in Germany, Mannheim and Heidelberg had their red light districts, all nice and legal. Policed and taxed as you will.

So I really do not know about American Hookers or lap dancers or strippers. But I can fill in volumes on Thai, Lao, Vietnamese and German hookers. After all prostitution is just a job to most of those gals although some tried like heck to find a good GI to marry. I would have no problem marrying one of these gals, lord know I sure gave a bunch a good test run. Back in those days in the army, a soldier was expected to work hard and play hard. We sure did both. I have no hang ups.

Goshin said:

Actually I know some very religious young women who do have such expectations and requirements.

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This. Not all women are trollops who make money by getting pathetic sucker's rocks off. I like women with high standards, and respect them a hell of a lot more than sex-workers.

Perotista said:

I do not know about the states, I did all my running around in Southeast Asia many, many moons ago. Most bar girls, prostitutes if you will was just trying to make a living and some made a darn good living. Prostitution wasn't frowned on there as it is here in the states. Heck when I was stationed in Germany, Mannheim and Heidelberg had their red light districts, all nice and legal. Policed and taxed as you will.

So I really do not know about American Hookers or lap dancers or strippers. But I can fill in volumes on Thai, Lao, Vietnamese and German hookers. After all prostitution is just a job to most of those gals although some tried like heck to find a good GI to marry. I would have no problem marrying one of these gals, lord know I sure gave a bunch a good test run. Back in those days in the army, a soldier was expected to work hard and play hard. We sure did both. I have no hang ups.

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I was actually in Heidelberg in 2011. There's literally a brothel right outside of the main commissary gate.

An MP friend of mine who used to be stationed there told me that it wasn't uncommon for soldiers to wind up engaged after a few trips to the establishment. :lamo

Gathomas88 said:

Well... To clarify, some women legitimately fill the stereotype, and some simply enjoy acting like they do (though both are happy enough to let you spend absurd amounts of money buying them drinks). The latter type seems to be depressingly common amongst my generation.

I have a friend who's a male model. He's confident enough to literally snatch women out of passing crowds like a fisherman casting a line.

Even he seems to strike out a good nine times out of ten on average before he finally manages to reel one in. :lol:

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Hm. Odd.

I've never been much to look at really, unless you like burly and rugged, but I never chased women, I just waited for them to come into my orbit and let gravity take its course. :mrgreen:

Did a lot better than 10%...

Gathomas88 said:

I was actually in Heidelberg in 2011. There's literally a brothel right outside of the main commissary gate.

An MP friend of mine who used to be stationed there told me that it wasn't uncommon for soldiers to wind up engaged after a few trips to the establishment. :lamo

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The same thing took place in Southeast Asia in the 60's/70's. I was stationed with the 11th ACR in Fulda on the East German Border from 80-83. I think most GI's tend to take things, places and people as they are without too much moralizing. It is always the younger GI's that end to fall in love usually with an older woman shall we say. Like anything else, some of those marriages work out, other don't. But living in a country with a 50% plus divorce rate, that sure doesn't say much for all the moralizing either.

Goshin said:

Hm. Odd.

I've never been much to look at really, unless you like burly and rugged, but I never chased women, I just waited for them to come into my orbit and let gravity take its course. :mrgreen:

Did a lot better than 10%...

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Luck of the draw, I suppose. Some nights you've got it, and some you don't. :shrug:

I tend to do a lot better in bars than in night clubs myself, but even there, occasional run-ins with the "flirt, drink, and dash" type are hardly unheard of.

No, they carry more baggage than a fully loaded 747

Peter Grimm said:

Huh? Where? Is that a country somewhere?

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Yes it is a country in Europe. It is located north East to Albania, and surrounded with neighboring countries of Montenegro, Serbia, and Macedonia.

ChrisL said:

Do you think guys are that stupid and they don't know? They pay for it because they apparently like it. That's the bottom line. :shrug:

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Actually, the vast majority of guys do not know.

I used to frequent those establishments years ago (during my drug use days) and I ended up being friends/dated/vacationed with several exotic dancers and I talked with LOTS of male patrons.

The VAST majority of the guys had no clue that the dancers number one tool was - as I used to put it - 'make the guy think you would date him if you could, but you can't'. Or to put it another way - get the guy to get a crush on you.

It staggered me how many guys were blissfully unaware of this fact.

Almost every dancer I knew I asked them one question - 'what percentage of guys that you dance for ask you out'. Not 'can I f@ck' you', or 'what are you doing later' - but 'you seem really nice, will you go on a date with me sometime'. Almost all of them said between 60-80% did ask them out.

So the vast majority of guys were actually falling for these gals.

Makes sense, average looking guys (and if you go to a bar like that - most of the guys are average looking at best OR very young) suddenly for the first time in their lives have attractive women (or at least, more attractive then they have previously dated) being SO nice to them and appearing to care about what they think/feel. It overwhelms most guys. I know it did me the first time I went in one of those places (then I learned).

Dion is right that it is not about dancing - it is about the talking.

Get a guy hooked and he will come back time after time and sink tons of money just to sit with the dancer.

That is why the clubs usually have a don't date the customers policy for the dancers. It's not for the clubs - it's to protect the dancers so they can say to all these tons of guys that ask them out - 'Sorry, I'd love to go out with you - but the club won't let me and I need this job'. Which of course is baloney as they can go out with patrons all they want - they just cannot bring them to the club and show up as dating.


And it's not just exotic dancers. Female bartenders, waitresses, etc.(to a much lesser extent). Why do you think they are generally good looking and so friendly?

Make the guy think you like him - bigger tips.

Dion said:

My thoughts ... working as an NP in ED and treating strippers and once renting a condo next to a group of strippers and conversations with men conned by strippers ... strippers are con artists.

The entire method of making money is to lead some loser schmuck to believe she finds him special by asking his phone number and getting drinks and tips ... not on service yet on a false premise. I am female ...would any man here think it was a good idea if I dated a con artist male who preyed on women for chump change by conning affection and crude displays of sexuality?

Any female who has the physical ability and decent enough appearance to strip can earn a decnt living in other ways.

If they lead you to believe they have no other way to earn some chump change that is a lie.

I know what strippers say about the idiots they con and I know most turn small tricks.

Gyrating in a dark club and conning loser guys for bucks is base. if your self esteem is so low you only feel worthy of dating a stripper you have other issues.

The only guy who should date a stripper is one who might say ... yea I date a con artist who thinks it is hot to take off her clothes and con men to earn what a waitress earns.

Drugs, prostitution, ETOH abuse are the more wholesome activities that often go hand in hand with strip clubs ... it is the conning of the human soul that is the sickest part of their work imho.

I put myself through undergrad and graduate school with respectable jobs and lived decently.

C'mon fellas ... are you that stupid?

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Yes, most of us are.


I agree with most of your post except there are some - granted, probably not many - who are decent gals.

They simply dance for guys, tell them they are involved with someone else and will under no circumstances see a guy outside of the club AND they refuse gifts.

They just make their money, do nothing extra and go home.

Granted, they were usually the more attractive ones that frankly do not have to play the mind games you mentioned to make money.

And they were definitely few and far between.

But there are some decent exotic dancers - I actually briefly dated one like that (not that I was as good looking as she was...I hit way above my superficial weight during that relationship).

She never tried to con anyone (that I heard) and had a great rep amongst the other dancers for being decent.

But she was the exception.

DA60 said:

Yes, most of us are.


I agree with most of your post except there are some - granted, probably not many - who are decent gals.

They simply dance for guys, tell them they are involved with someone else and will under no circumstances see a guy outside of the club AND they refuse gifts.

They just make their money, do nothing extra and go home.

Granted, they were usually the more attractive ones that frankly do not have to play the mind games you mentioned to make money.

And they were definitely few and far between.

So there are some decent exotic dancers - I actually briefly dated one like that (not that I was as good looking as she was...I hit way above my superficial weight during that relationship).

She never tried to con anyone and had a great rep amongst the other dancers for being decent.

But she was the exception.

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Oh there is always the rare exception ... yet if she had so much going for her ... why would she have to take her clothes off and gyrate to make a living?


Good point though on the rare exception.

In bold of your post I cannot understand what you are conveying ...

Dion said:

Oh there is always the rare exception ... yet if she had so much going for her ... why would she have to take her clothes off and gyrate to make a living?

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I didn't say she was honorable for doing it. Just not out to trick or use guys.

Now that I think about it - she only worked at the club on the weekends - she had a full time job otherwise.

Also, the money back then was exceptionally good (no idea what it is like now).

She would take home $4-500 a night for doing little more then parade around in her bikini, take it off a few times and be polite to everyone (which she was normally anyway).

And at 24 she had a nice condo, a new, pretty nice car and no bills..and her day job did not pay that much.

Honorable? Probably not. But relatively harmless, imo.

She lied to no on, led no one on emotionally and no one forced these guys to ask her to dance for them.

And btw, she asked me out. I actually had no idea she even liked me in that way before she did (we were friends first).

Good point though on the rare exception.

In bold of your post I cannot understand what you are conveying ...

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Lol - it was a joke...a baseball reference.

'Hitting above your weight' means you are doing something better then you deserve to be doing.

To put it another way - 'Looks wise, she was out of my league'.


BTW - a really decent dancer I once knew gave me the best advice for guys that get hooked on a dancer.

'Never ask a dancer out. If she wants you, she will let you know.'

Dion said:

Good point though on the rare exception.

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If this thread is representative of real life, then a significant portion of the male population has dated a stripper with a heart of gold who really cared about them :roll:

sangha said:

If this thread is representative of real life, then a significant portion of the male population has dated a stripper with a heart of gold who really cared about them :roll:

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; ) Exactly!

DA60 said:

I didn't say she was honorable for doing it. Just not out to trick or use guys.

Now that I think about it - she only worked at the club on the weekends - she had a full time job otherwise.

Also, the money back then was exceptionally good (no idea what it is like now).

She would take home $5-600 a night for doing little more then parade around in her bikini, take it off a few times and be polite to everyone (which she was normally anyway).

And at 24 she had a nice condo, a new, pretty nice car and no bills..and her day job did not pay that much.

Honorable? Probably not. But relatively harmless, imo.

She lied to no on, led no one on emotionally and no one forced these guys to ask her to dance for them.





Lol - it was a joke...a baseball reference.

'Hitting above your weight' means you are doing something better then you deserve to be doing.

To put it another way - 'Looks wise, she was out of my league'.

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Ahhh Now I understand the hitting above the weight.

Well you seem to know how the stripper interfaced with men even when you were not there. She must have been stunning and amazing to have you vouching for her character and honesty and out earning any stripper on just her beauty just by taking off her bikini. ; ).

Dion said:

Ahhh Now I understand the hitting above the weight.

Well you seem to know how the stripper interfaced with men even when you were not there. She must have been stunning and amazing to have you vouching for her character and honesty and out earning any stripper on just her beauty just by taking off her bikini. ; ).

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I knew how she interfaced with other men because I knew her a long time before she asked me out AND other dancers (friends of mine) usually know how their co-workers behave -and they said she was straight as an arrow.

Oh, and she did not out-earn al the other gals.

She actually made less then many of the other dancers because she would not do extras or play the game...even though she was one of the better looking dancers (though definitely not the best) in the club.

I was friends with a relatively average looking dancer who made about $800-1000 a night...but she (apparently) did LOTS of extras...and had LOTS of problems (5 children for one and a brute of a boyfriend for two).

It seems to be an exotic dancer, the lower your self esteem, the more money you make.



And, for the record, I never said the dancer (that I was referring to above) had either a heart of gold or really cared about me (nor did I say she did not - though I did end the relationship soon after it started).

I simply said that she did not (to my or other dancer's in the clubs' knowledge, who I knew) either do extra's (sexual favors) or lead guy's on emotionally.

And I think as long as you act like that, then you have nothing to apologize for (on that subject), imo.

Again, it's not like anyone is forcing these guys to enter the club and pay their money for these gals to take off their clothes and dance for them.


Lying/performing sexual favors is one thing.

But simply exotic dancing (they hated being called 'strippers') while being friendly is something else, in my book.

DA60 said:

Oh, she did not out-earn other gals.

She actually made less then many of the other dancers because she would not do extras or play the game...even though she was one of the better looking dancers (though definitely not the best) in the club.

I was friends with a relatively average looking dancer who made about $1000 a night...but she (apparently) did LOTS of extras...and had LOTS of problems (5 children for one and a brute of a boyfriend for two).

It seems to be an exotic dancer, the lower your self esteem, the more money you make.

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Yea ... I feel for anyone that has to take off their clothes for attention or money or any man that has to date someone like that. Well wherever you live those strippers outearn the strippers ten fold at any club in my city. Most earn at best 30 bucks an hour on a good night if they put their genitalia in mens faces and they are on tax payer medicaid for health care.

If they were willing to put effort into the many skilled jobs in the city they could earn a fair wage yet would not have sloppy drunk guys telling them they were hot to feel good.

Anyway to each his own and even though I personally would never find anyone as remotely attractive who did such (male or female) ... I think people should be allowed to do what they choose in life and clearly you are a male who did not mind and felt her word was trustworthy that she was different then other strippers in her interactions).

I do not care what the guy looked like ... if he gyrated his penis for money and swore on a stack of bibles he was different then all strippers and never conned ... I would not find it attractive.

Sounds like you hung at a unique club and felt you knew the people and trusted their stories so that is your experience.

Dion said:

Yea ... I feel for anyone that has to take off their clothes for attention or money or any man that has to date someone like that. Well wherever you live those strippers outearn the strippers ten fold at any club in my city. Most earn at best 30 bucks an hour on a good night if they put their genitalia in mens faces and they are on tax payer medicaid for health care.

If they were willing to put effort into the many skilled jobs in the city they could earn a fair wage yet would not have sloppy drunk guys telling them they were hot to feel good.

Anyway to each his own and even though I personally would never find anyone as remotely attractive who did such (male or female) ... I think people should be allowed to do what they choose in life and clearly you are a male who did not mind and felt her word was trustworthy that she was different then other strippers in her interactions).

I do not care what the guy looked like ... if he gyrated his penis for money and swore on a stack of bibles he was different then all strippers and never conned ... I would not find it attractive.

Sounds like you hung at a unique club and felt you knew the people and trusted their stories so that is your experience.

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Well, when I went out with her it was over fourteen years ago and I was a semi-alcoholic and was soon to be a drug addict (I quit both over ten years ago) - so my perspective at the time was a little warped.

That was also before the internet was really big, so I think dancers made a lot more money then - now, I think more of that money goes to internet pornography/cam shows/etc..

DA60 said:

Well, when I went out with her it was over fourteen years ago and I was a semi-alcoholic and was soon to be a drug addict (I quit both over ten years ago) - so my perspective at the time was a little warped.

That was also before the internet was really big, so I think dancers made a lot more money then - now, I think more of that money goes to internet pornography/cam shows/etc..

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I was thinking the same.

Congrats on quitting habits that could damage your health.