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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Different moves, but in some ways the same attraction. However, I was not referring to her routines as a cheerleader. Rather just about what cheerleaders wear. She competed in Rymthmics, Rymthmic Gymnastics, Gymnastics, Baton and other related competitions very, very seriously from age 8 to 19.

    Apparently the judging of some of those competitions is highly subjective and abstract as to what constitutes "the best." It's not absolute measures like who runs the 100 meters the fastest. Rather, aesthetics comes into play. In that competition she was trying a new field of competition for the first time that is particularly open to styles and measures, was the youngest, and the resumee's of the competition went off the chart. Anyway, I was just stating her opinions of it - and she was the most "innocent" and churchy teen anyone could ever meet. But she also competed to win too.

    I don't think it a stretch that men may give higher marks for suggestions of feminine attraction while women judges might mark it down instead. I would guess it has a lot to do with overall impression and even subliminal suggestion. She had her own style and it tended to be she started slow, then did some suprise dazzling thing, then took it back down and built to some amazing conclusion. I won't put any of that online of course, but the level of skill she portrayed in her bit of highly suggestive action was extraordinary of itself. In a sense, she showed a female doesn't have to remove any clothing at all to be extremely desireable in "dance" and that the skill of that routine greatly adds to the seductiveness.

    As I've stated myself by my own observations, pole dancing is cheesy and easy. The club I was at didn't have a pole.

    I do not think it is getting "stupid" at all. Television, and not just advertising, often is highly focused on sexual attraction as is television in general. Makeup is about physical attraction, not for health, and overall fashion and appearance marketing and purchasing for women is substantially diffferent than for men.

    Do I think a cheerleader and a stripper are the same? Of course not. But, then, I also don't define a stripper as a prostitute or porn star either.
    I'm still not buying this. There are rules governing attire and dance moves for these organizations.

    http://usagym.org/PDFs/Rhythmic/Rule..._Section_4.pdf

    In your previous post, you said she was on pep squads and cheerleading.
    Now and then I've commented that my wife was in major national and international competitions for many years starting at a very young age, and in cheerleading/pep squad -
    In either case, the description of that competition could not have happened. It may be impolite of me, but I don't buy it.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Cheerleader routines = strippers doing pole dances wut??

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    I wrote out a response on word - then lost it somehow...

    Her high school was small and the cheerleading squad not competitive. Mostly they just did cheers, danced around, no real routines and maybe cartwheel now and then. To the contrary, she could do a running full body rotation backflip catching a baton between her legs behind her back - then instantly rolling it across her shoulder to her other hand into a curtsy and just keep going as 2 seconds of her routine - by age 8 - when she won her first international competition. This would mean little in a big city, but in a small city and being 4th generation locals, she is very famous here. Generally she would only lead the band if it was on the field.

    Her being a cheerleader in title was really her just not being in a position to say no. She saw the other female cheerleaders as trite, silly-headed, with over-bloated egos and shallow. Her competitions were intensely serious to her and she focused on goals overall, setting all else aside.

    The competition I referred to was not typical and her entered by mistake - accepted for her overall years of successes resume' - and her coach urged her to drop out. It was a created competition for rythmic gymnastics dance. She never did dance competitions. She is intensely competitive and stayed in. In her thought process, she realized she was going up against some of the best New York School of dance style dancers - who would try to integrate some prop into their routine - and against world class fellow rymthmics competitors who would try to integrate dance into their routines.

    She looks much younger than she is - a plus and a handicap. In techical skills she was cutting edge and even had broken a few record barriers, but saw herself as lacking in aesthetics and grace - with longer legged competitors being sleeker. But her smaller size allowed her greater speed in simply geometry and allowed her to be more overtly sensual and sexual without crossing the invisible line not to be crossed.

    She keeps voluminious journals and her thought process known. She highly shifted for this competition. She generally wore little to no makeup. But for this she went extreme - bright red lipstick, basically white pancake over her otherwise pale skin, so much red on her cheeks as to look clownish, and a slash angled white silk and net mask covering part of her face and 1 eye. The reason for the mask was it was going to be sexually highly suggestive - only a few critical early seconds - and since her goal then was to be church school teacher of young children. She did not want the inevitable videos to harm potential employment in case those deciding hiring shared the anti-sexuality-dancing views of some such as on this thread. Overall, she wanted to look as young as possible and the clownish nature put it all into a playful fantasy impression.

    For props she converted a baton to a cane with the identical length and balance as her bations and a top hat. She felt it critical that she disquise she was twirling and to avoid all recognized twirling actions. She felt if they recognized it as a baton, she had no chance. But if they saw it as a cane and a top hat, it would seem incredibly skilled and unique. Part of the sexuality at the first was for such a diversion of focus of the audience and judges. Her preparation mostly was learning to integrate the top hat into the routine. She is an exquisite juggler, so it was not a great challenge.

    She wanted to highlight her youth to looking as young as possible (she looks much younger than she is anyway for size and face), as judges tend to decide if a younger competitor is equal to an older one, they should give it to the younger one for being more advanced for her age.

    She had a fairly unusual pattern of performances. She would start out almost clumpsy, even like she was dazed or even maybe on some drug - though make no technical errors - for the first few seconds. This was not only to lower expectations, but to loosen up. Thus, she felt at that first moments judges would conclude that young girl was out of her league and would just allow her to finish her routine until the next real competitor came along. She'd then momentarily pause, take a noticeable deep breathe (actually she said a brief prayer) and then she would explode into her first sequence - so the audience and judges would think "WHOA! Maybe that little girl has something afterall!"

    Audiences at some of the competitions are encouraged to be vocal in applause and even shouts and cheers, and she always worked the audience. Generally, she would do a few fast, skillful sequence focusing on speed and apparently complexity - but then end it in a momentary kodax moment poise - which were applause points - but then burst into the next sequence to not let the applause conclude. The ability to go from zero to light speed and back to zero was part of her tactics and ability. She would built this sequentially to her signature poise (when appropriate for the competition), which was on her toes one foot in front of the other with her hands arched over her head (her "angel" poise, or victory poise) coming into it suddenly in some burst-of-speed razzle-dazzle action - for which the audience would give it's concluding applause. But then instead break into her truly best sequence of the performance at blazing speed. That the real conclusion - also generally instantly ending with her final landing knelt on one knee, either her hands on the floor beside her or crossed across her chest - bowing to the judges and audience (actually she was saying a thank you prayer for another successful performance. There are unusally and complex metaphysical views of herself that play into all of this. Her natural abilities were recognized in her at a very young age.)

    This was a free form dance competition for which what constitutes best was entirely abstract. She picked atypical music and the theme she followed (not stated) was of a cute young woman being seduced by a classy old gentleman (the top hat and cane), for which she is successfully seduced to sex - very pronouncedly so actually. I could describe how but that'd take quite a few words. The rest of the routine was the invisible he (hat and cane) and her doing a romantic and seductive dance together that was a mix between swing and ballroom style - working that cane and hat thru it all.

    While the audience loudly cheered, applauded and even so shout-outs for all competitors, during her's someone shouted out "Go Girl Go!" and then the audience was hooting out faster and faster Go! Go! Go! - and this worked perfectly as speed was her speciality. Her performance was perfect and she, the audience and the judges all knew she had nailed it. Three perfect 10s. The comments were for her originality, technical skill and that if she is that good at her young age (thinking she younger than she was), she's really going to go far. The others had been excellent at dance or rythmics, but all of it had been done thousands of times before. Her routine was unique and did have an overall theme. Romance, sensuality/sexually and dance go well together as a storyline.

    That particular performance and prep for it affected her in literal ways. These competitions and her 4-5 hours every day since about age 5 or 6 practicing was at the core of her life focus. She was strictly a no-sex until marriage and even no dating or romance until she was ready for courtship. Overall, she was the perfect goody two-shoes. In her journal, she wrote how somehow in that all she changed from being a girl to a young woman - and was ready to pro-actively start looking for her real-life fantasy man for life (husband).

    From what I gather, some competitions, like straight gymnastics are strictly technical. She didn't care much for just gymnastics as to her it was too simplistic, too slow and too boring. As she advanced across her career she increasingly was opting towards more complex competitions that allowed more creativity and personal discretion - plus more away for juvenile areas to more adult - though most had certain requirement actions within the routines. Sensuality/sexuality/aesthetics increasingly applicable and certainly moreso as it more approached adult dancing within her routines.

    She was - and remains - a local hero for a decade+ of such victories in her hometown (where we now live) always covered in the little local newspaper -and was famous within her fields of competition. She was violently assaulted with very serious injuries bringing that livelong focus to a crashing halt, along with many other life goals and activities.

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I wrote out a response on word - then lost it somehow...

    Her high school was small and the cheerleading squad not competitive. Mostly they just did cheers, danced around, no real routines and maybe cartwheel now and then. To the contrary, she could do a running full body rotation backflip catching a baton between her legs behind her back - then instantly rolling it across her shoulder to her other hand into a curtsy and just keep going as 2 seconds of her routine - by age 8 - when she won her first international competition. This would mean little in a big city, but in a small city and being 4th generation locals, she is very famous here. Generally she would only lead the band if it was on the field.

    Her being a cheerleader in title was really her just not being in a position to say no. She saw the other female cheerleaders as trite, silly-headed, with over-bloated egos and shallow. Her competitions were intensely serious to her and she focused on goals overall, setting all else aside.

    The competition I referred to was not typical and her entered by mistake - accepted for her overall years of successes resume' - and her coach urged her to drop out. It was a created competition for rythmic gymnastics dance. She never did dance competitions. She is intensely competitive and stayed in. In her thought process, she realized she was going up against some of the best New York School of dance style dancers - who would try to integrate some prop into their routine - and against world class fellow rymthmics competitors who would try to integrate dance into their routines.

    She looks much younger than she is - a plus and a handicap. In techical skills she was cutting edge and even had broken a few record barriers, but saw herself as lacking in aesthetics and grace - with longer legged competitors being sleeker. But her smaller size allowed her greater speed in simply geometry and allowed her to be more overtly sensual and sexual without crossing the invisible line not to be crossed.

    She keeps voluminious journals and her thought process known. She highly shifted for this competition. She generally wore little to no makeup. But for this she went extreme - bright red lipstick, basically white pancake over her otherwise pale skin, so much red on her cheeks as to look clownish, and a slash angled white silk and net mask covering part of her face and 1 eye. The reason for the mask was it was going to be sexually highly suggestive - only a few critical early seconds - and since her goal then was to be church school teacher of young children. She did not want the inevitable videos to harm potential employment in case those deciding hiring shared the anti-sexuality-dancing views of some such as on this thread. Overall, she wanted to look as young as possible and the clownish nature put it all into a playful fantasy impression.

    For props she converted a baton to a cane with the identical length and balance as her bations and a top hat. She felt it critical that she disquise she was twirling and to avoid all recognized twirling actions. She felt if they recognized it as a baton, she had no chance. But if they saw it as a cane and a top hat, it would seem incredibly skilled and unique. Part of the sexuality at the first was for such a diversion of focus of the audience and judges. Her preparation mostly was learning to integrate the top hat into the routine. She is an exquisite juggler, so it was not a great challenge.

    She wanted to highlight her youth to looking as young as possible (she looks much younger than she is anyway for size and face), as judges tend to decide if a younger competitor is equal to an older one, they should give it to the younger one for being more advanced for her age.

    She had a fairly unusual pattern of performances. She would start out almost clumpsy, even like she was dazed or even maybe on some drug - though make no technical errors - for the first few seconds. This was not only to lower expectations, but to loosen up. Thus, she felt at that first moments judges would conclude that young girl was out of her league and would just allow her to finish her routine until the next real competitor came along. She'd then momentarily pause, take a noticeable deep breathe (actually she said a brief prayer) and then she would explode into her first sequence - so the audience and judges would think "WHOA! Maybe that little girl has something afterall!"

    Audiences at some of the competitions are encouraged to be vocal in applause and even shouts and cheers, and she always worked the audience. Generally, she would do a few fast, skillful sequence focusing on speed and apparently complexity - but then end it in a momentary kodax moment poise - which were applause points - but then burst into the next sequence to not let the applause conclude. The ability to go from zero to light speed and back to zero was part of her tactics and ability. She would built this sequentially to her signature poise (when appropriate for the competition), which was on her toes one foot in front of the other with her hands arched over her head (her "angel" poise, or victory poise) coming into it suddenly in some burst-of-speed razzle-dazzle action - for which the audience would give it's concluding applause. But then instead break into her truly best sequence of the performance at blazing speed. That the real conclusion - also generally instantly ending with her final landing knelt on one knee, either her hands on the floor beside her or crossed across her chest - bowing to the judges and audience (actually she was saying a thank you prayer for another successful performance. There are unusally and complex metaphysical views of herself that play into all of this. Her natural abilities were recognized in her at a very young age.)

    This was a free form dance competition for which what constitutes best was entirely abstract. She picked atypical music and the theme she followed (not stated) was of a cute young woman being seduced by a classy old gentleman (the top hat and cane), for which she is successfully seduced to sex - very pronouncedly so actually. I could describe how but that'd take quite a few words. The rest of the routine was the invisible he (hat and cane) and her doing a romantic and seductive dance together that was a mix between swing and ballroom style - working that cane and hat thru it all.

    While the audience loudly cheered, applauded and even so shout-outs for all competitors, during her's someone shouted out "Go Girl Go!" and then the audience was hooting out faster and faster Go! Go! Go! - and this worked perfectly as speed was her speciality. Her performance was perfect and she, the audience and the judges all knew she had nailed it. Three perfect 10s. The comments were for her originality, technical skill and that if she is that good at her young age (thinking she younger than she was), she's really going to go far. The others had been excellent at dance or rythmics, but all of it had been done thousands of times before. Her routine was unique and did have an overall theme. Romance, sensuality/sexually and dance go well together as a storyline.

    That particular performance and prep for it affected her in literal ways. These competitions and her 4-5 hours every day since about age 5 or 6 practicing was at the core of her life focus. She was strictly a no-sex until marriage and even no dating or romance until she was ready for courtship. Overall, she was the perfect goody two-shoes. In her journal, she wrote how somehow in that all she changed from being a girl to a young woman - and was ready to pro-actively start looking for her real-life fantasy man for life (husband).

    From what I gather, some competitions, like straight gymnastics are strictly technical. She didn't care much for just gymnastics as to her it was too simplistic, too slow and too boring. As she advanced across her career she increasingly was opting towards more complex competitions that allowed more creativity and personal discretion - plus more away for juvenile areas to more adult - though most had certain requirement actions within the routines. Sensuality/sexuality/aesthetics increasingly applicable and certainly moreso as it more approached adult dancing within her routines.

    She was - and remains - a local hero for a decade+ of such victories in her hometown (where we now live) always covered in the little local newspaper -and was famous within her fields of competition. She was violently assaulted with very serious injuries bringing that livelong focus to a crashing halt, along with many other life goals and activities.

    Believe what you wish.
    Then that competition had nothing to do with cheer leading or rhythmic gymnastics as the earlier posts suggested. Their rules are very firm about that kind of thing and conflating cheer/gymnastics with stripping is improper.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    I would not. That's one of my few deal-brakers. I would want someone with a bit more class and moral integrity than a stripper.

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Then that competition had nothing to do with cheer leading or rhythmic gymnastics as the earlier posts suggested. Their rules are very firm about that kind of thing and conflating cheer/gymnastics with stripping is improper.
    And I still disagree. Rules are rules and one aspect of competitions are pushing the rules to the edge. Its not really what people do or even the rules that are the measure, but rather what winners do that wins.

    The psychology behind has a judge give an 8.5 or a 9.0 or whatever is not exact mathematical science. As she shifted via age from being a juvenile competitor to an adoloscent and young teen led her to conclude sensuality and sexuality has a large play - either negatively or positively - as she saw how competitors were judged including in videos for competitions she was not in.

    Otherwise, I will even stand on my point about cheerleaders. They do not have the male cheerleaders go out shirtless and in a bathing suit only. Why do female cheerleaders tend to have such short skirts if they bend over in the slightest you see her ass? But male cheerleaders generally have long pants and sleeved shirts?

    I seriously doubt many people question if the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are not a lot about sensual and sexual attraction including in body language - and that also has a lot to do with the selection process. The only question is can she do so without crossing some ill-defined invisible line.

    Sexuality isn't a part of cheerleading? Ever see the male cheerleaders doing these poises?

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?


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    Yeah, none of those and 100,000 others like it has nothing to do with sexual suggestiveness.

    Certainly none of them should ever be allowed to be teachers because it would be too distracting to the male students?

    I SERIOUSLY doubt that by high school their isn't 1% of high school boys who haven't often looked at the most hardcore Internet porn. And probably on their Ipods while at school passing it around too. Like it or not, times have changed. But it has always been about sex. The cheerleading routines are just a way to claim it isn't.

    Cheerleading squad competitions? That is somewhat different. But the females will still be coming out in one form of hot pants or another. And the guys won't.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    The difference is rather simple. Exotic dancers show her tits. That's about it. That's why I call them "titty bars" rather than strip clubs. Almost any bar with a lot of young women will basically instantly become a "titty bar" by announcing a wet T-shirt contest - though I suppose technically their tits are covered. But its a woman's ass that more turns guys on and that's the old bump and grind.

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Dude has a point

    i call this a cheerleader looks more like a stripper.

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Goodness I have completely forgotten what this thread about about.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Dude has a point

    i call this a cheerleader looks more like a stripper.
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