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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I disagree. History, math, science, etc are not the same as teaching morality and an ex-stripper is just as capable of teaching those things as any other person.
    You don't recall teachers either using history an example of morality or immorality? You don't recall your teachers talking about anything other than the academic disciplines? You can't be serious.

    And nowhere did I say that strippers have no character. Not sure where you got that from.
    I noticed the interesting distinction you made between ex-strippers and current strippers.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Then look in broader strokes. On the whole, that is what you are getting.
    Teachers have never been required to support the social order in order to qualify for a job teaching in a public school. I find this line of argument to be sophistic.


    No offense, but how on earth can you claim that? Teacher colleges across the country have that expressed notion. Schools across the country maintain that notion for their employees. It was even pounded into me for years. Even society at large accepts that principle.
    What institutions accept is not the determining factor. For many years, institutions and the social order have supported all sorts of unfair and oppressive policies and justified it on the basis of "maintaining the social order"

    Again, I don't deny that teachers can face ramifications for not conforming; I am arguing that this is wrong. Teachers should be judged on the basis of their ability to teach and their performance (and I'm not talking about teaching morality here. IMO, that's best left to the parent)


    And has the internet taught you little about what often has happened to teachers with less than stellar side-lives?
    Again, I don't deny that teachers can face ramifications for not conforming; I am arguing that this is wrong.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Teachers have never been required to support the social order in order to qualify for a job teaching in a public school. I find this line of argument to be sophistic.
    In the schools they aren't supposed to upset it.

    What institutions accept is not the determining factor. For many years, institutions and the social order have supported all sorts of unfair and oppressive policies and justified it on the basis of "maintaining the social order"
    And until that wider notion against strippers across regular society is struck through, teachers will be expected to maintain the status quo on their private lives. No stripping, no pornography, no public binge drinking, no pictures on the internet getting drunk, no pictures of them going to a strip club, nothing.

    That is the reality of the profession. If you don't like it, don't enter it, but don't whine about it.

    Again, I don't deny that teachers can face ramifications for not conforming; I am arguing that this is wrong. Teachers should be judged on the basis of their ability to teach and their performance (and I'm not talking about teaching morality here. IMO, that's best left to the parent)
    And I don't think that should be the only criteria. Teachers aren't in a job like the rest of you are. You're talking about two completely different worlds here. You're placing private sector ethics onto an occupation that does not put itself there, and considers itself above that. Teachers like it, administrators like it, and most of the public likes it.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    In the schools they aren't supposed to upset it.
    Says you. I say different

    And until that wider notion against strippers across regular society is struck through, teachers will be expected to maintain the status quo on their private lives. No stripping, no pornography, no public binge drinking, no pictures on the internet getting drunk, no pictures of them going to a strip club, nothing.

    That is the reality of the profession. If you don't like it, don't enter it, but don't whine about it.
    So you've been reduced to arguing "That's how it's done now, so I must be right!".

    That's just sad. I know you can do better than that.



    And I don't think that should be the only criteria. Teachers aren't in a job like the rest of you are. You're talking about two completely different worlds here. You're placing private sector ethics onto an occupation that does not put itself there, and considers itself above that. Teachers like it, administrators like it, and most of the public likes it.
    Your appeal to the majority is a logical fallacy. It's a shame that you would be in such a profession and rely on such fallacies.

    Is the regular use of fallacious logic the way teachers demonstrate the sort of character you spoke of earlier?
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Says you. I say different
    Alright. Good luck with that if you decide to teach.

    So you've been reduced to arguing "That's how it's done now, so I must be right!".

    That's just sad. I know you can do better than that.
    Well, I have a difficult time explaining it to someone who hasn't been in the classroom. Traditions and social expectations mean a great deal. We even take pride in it, if you could believe it.


    Your appeal to the majority is a logical fallacy. It's a shame that you would be in such a profession and rely on such fallacies.
    Oh, the use of the logical fallacy. I am always amused when someone wants to throw out some latin phrases and declare victory. Of course it is a logical fallacy. Damn near everything is.

    You wish to uproot an entire system despite the wishes of the practitioners of the craft and society at large, and somehow I am at disadvantage if I suggest that perhaps we should maintain it out of that consideration. We should listen to the outsider, disregard everyone else, obviously.

    How about this for an argument: perhaps we should maintain stricter standards upon other professions. I mean, if I were to be discounted for suggesting that mass acceptance accounts for it being a bad idea to change something so drastically, maybe I would be all the better to suggest the rest of you folks should join our high standards.

    But that would be another logical fallacy. Oh, darn.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Alright. Good luck with that if you decide to teach.
    I'm retired. However, in my life I was fortunate to have many teachers that did not support the social order and actively promoted the subversion of the current order. They were not only not fired, but quite popular with the students.


    Well, I have a difficult time explaining it to someone who hasn't been in the classroom. Traditions and social expectations mean a great deal. We even take pride in it, if you could believe it.
    Stop flattering yourself by pretending that you're some kind of authority. My family has been involved in the public education system for longer than you've been alive. However, unlike you, I won't dishonestly try to dismiss your opinion because your experience is inferior to mine.

    That's because I was taught properly. Therefore, I need not rely on "arguments from authority", which is another logical fallacy.


    Oh, the use of the logical fallacy. I am always amused when someone wants to throw out some latin phrases and declare victory. Of course it is a logical fallacy. Damn near everything is.

    You wish to uproot an entire system despite the wishes of the practitioners of the craft and society at large, and somehow I am at disadvantage if I suggest that perhaps we should maintain it out of that consideration. We should listen to the outsider, disregard everyone else, obviously.
    Oh yeah, I'm just an iconoclast for suggesting that you might be wrong. After all, if it weren't for you and the ban on strippers, the entire system would fall

    How about this for an argument: perhaps we should maintain stricter standards upon other professions. I mean, if I were to be discounted for suggesting that mass acceptance accounts for it being a bad idea to change something so drastically, maybe I would be all the better to suggest the rest of you folks should join our high standards.

    But that would be another logical fallacy. Oh, darn.
    Don't worry. I won't hold it against you. After all, you're an educator. It's not like you have to say things that make sense or get fired. Just as long as you don't take your clothes off for money, you're good to go.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's posts like these that sometimes make me think we should pass a law prohibiting the religious, particularly Christians. from being teachers. After all, aside from other fruitcakes, who would want their impressionable children to be taught by people who believe in zombies and who practice symbolic cannibalism?
    You know you only degrade from the effectiveness of your own argument when you pull crap like that, right?



    But please, don't let me interrupt you making a fool of yourself

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Alright. Good luck with that if you decide to teach.

    Well, I have a difficult time explaining it to someone who hasn't been in the classroom. Traditions and social expectations mean a great deal. We even take pride in it, if you could believe it.
    Naturally. Sangha here is attempting to comment on the inner workings of a profession of which he knows little to nothing (it seems). While I think I might quibble with you a bit on the widespread dedication to "teachers are pounded never to teach something other than what the family wants reinforced" (Wilson, for example, said that the purpose of education was to make men as unlike their fathers as possible, and the "let me enlighten you" liberal hippy professor is so ubiquitous he has a South Park meme), the idea of education as a place where civics are imparted as well as mathematics is pretty much (as near as I am aware) universal.

    Oh, the use of the logical fallacy. I am always amused when someone wants to throw out some latin phrases and declare victory. Of course it is a logical fallacy. Damn near everything is.
    I have long wanted to start a conversation on that. The problem is that questions like that are best suited for the Loft so they don't get jumped; but nobody really talks in the Loft .

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Now this I find interesting. Here you say the above, but as I quoted below:



    So basically, strippers are NOT good enough for you or other guys because of their questionable moral standards, however you feel they are good enough for students who are trying to learn. Hmmm.
    Lol...once again, for the third time, you are putting words in my mouth.

    Can you not read?

    I said - several times - that I dated exotic dancers...so how on earth could they not be good enough for me?

    Why don't you a) stop putting words in people's mouths and b) lighten up.

    Sheesh....you are on my ignore list until you do both.

    And 'no' I don't think you will say you care - but I am just being courteous so you don't waste your time replying to me when I (probably) won't even read your post.


    Have a nice day.


    Btw - I believe NO ONE is EVER above or beneath ANYBODY...NO EXCEPTIONS.

    We are equals...some are more/less messed up then others; but no one is better (IMO).

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You answered that you don't know. Which is another way of saying you're afraid of contradicting yourself.
    No, I answered it. I said case by case basis.


    Personal responsibility does not mean that you can dictate what the consequences of the actions of others are. Personal responsibility would only apply when society has made rules that no stripper can ever be a teacher (it hasn't), and these rules are well known. An angry group of parents with pitch forks and an insanely intolerant woman on the internet do not qualify.
    Society does not accept teachers who are sex industry workers. I'd like you to name one who has.


    That would be like saying "Yeah, I threw rocks at those faggots. It's called personal responsibility, and that rock was the consequence that I decided for them."
    That is stupid beyond belief. It is nothing at all the same.

    No, it's not. You're using your religious judgements to harass someone else. You're trying to make their degree worthless, and their life's work for naught. How would you like it if someone else decided you'd never be able to do your passion anymore? All based on intolerance, and not any actual effect on children?
    No, I'm not. If I once worked in the sex industry, I would not even attempt to pursue a career working with children because I would know better than that. I would know that if the children found out, I would be a distraction. I would put my own selfishness on the back burner and pursue another career that would not be effected by my past.

    You've still refused to explain any way this could even remotely effect children. All it's done so far is effect YOUR perceptions of the teacher.
    Yes I have. If you don't want to comprehend, that's not MY problem.



    Considering you replied hours after the 25 minute edit limit expired, that doesn't make any sense at all.
    Well, let's see DUHHHH, there are only 2 reasons why someone would edit a post, either they made a mistake or they made an addendum. Since you spelled lackadaisical wrong, I thought that perhaps making a correction was not on the top of your list, so it must have been an addendum.

    LOL! I'm right though, aren't I?


    Sex education doesn't teach you morality. It teaches you how sex works, what STDs are, and how to practice safe sex. With few exceptions, no teacher in sex ed class is standing there telling kids they can't have sex.
    It is teaching children about sex, which has MANY moral implications.


    Are the kids marrying, dating, or ****ing the teachers? Or are they learning how to read and write? I find it astounding that you don't know the difference. How many former strippers turned teachers have given kids lap dances or molested children? I'd like numbers and sources.
    Well, our children don't seem to be keeping up with other children in other countries as far as education goes. Perhaps that's due to the quality of our educators? I don't know. Could be.


    To be completely honest, if you're this worried about one of your kids teachers being a former stripper, and the crazy influences this might have on your kid, you're a piss poor parent. You haven't prepared your kid for the real world at all.
    I think that you have no idea what you are talking about. You're not much more than a kid yourself probably.

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