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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Who on earth told you that?

    Goodness, the first thing I was taught was to tighten up my public profile and that teachers often times go to neighboring towns to get a drink.
    Most of my teacher friends/family either do not have, or do not really use, a facebook account. It's just not worth the risk.

    Educators are consistently held to higher moral standards and their employment status in part rests on that.
    Bingo. Educators are - for good or ill, and we'd prefer the former - influences on our children.

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because teachers don't teach morality. That's the parents' job.
    That's a matter of degree. Schools are all about character building, discipline, and a morally aware and active citizenry.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is correct - and issues like this are a good part of why I support School Choice. If Sangha High wants to have Daisy Dawn from the Catz Meow teach your 14 year old boy math.... you should be free to take him elsewhere.
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    What an interesting observation. How many children have you raised?
    It's posts like these that sometimes make me think we should pass a law prohibiting the religious, particularly Christians. from being teachers. After all, aside from other fruitcakes, who would want their impressionable children to be taught by people who believe in zombies and who practice symbolic cannibalism?
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Who on earth told you that?

    Goodness, the first thing I was taught was to tighten up my public profile and that teachers often times go to neighboring towns to get a drink.

    Educators are consistently held to higher moral standards and their employment status in part rests on that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And if my former colleagues took that advise, they would be fired.
    We all know that teachers can and have been fired for their behavior outside of work. That's not what the discussion Is about.

    We're talking about whether that is right, particularly with respect to working as a stripper
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's a matter of degree. Schools are all about character building, discipline, and a morally aware and active citizenry.
    None of those things are the same as teaching morality. Strippers can have character (especially ex-strippers), discipline and be active citizens
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We all know that teachers can and have been fired for their behavior outside of work. That's not what the discussion Is about.

    We're talking about whether that is right, particularly with respect to working as a stripper
    Under current circumstances, it is absolutely right.

    Firstly, the education world is fundamentally a conservative order. It seeks to maintain some semblance of the status-quo, in part out of fear of rocking the boat, and because it is easier to control. This requires conformity, due to the wide clientele, the perspective that the families still have a right to determine the course of their children's upbringing, and the wider social-political structure. Educators are representatives of that order, and of the community at large.

    Second, ignoring that status-quo leads to significant classroom management issues. Students are quickly curious and motivated to finding everything out about you they can. This general principle became evident to me when I had students googling me in class rather than doing their assignment. Being employed as a stripper would have a large public footprint, the students would be able to find that information out, and the news spreads like wildfire. Students who are both sexually curious and sexually excitable would not look at their instructor the same way again, and that important portion of respect necessary between the student and teacher is likely to be severed.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of those things are the same as teaching morality.
    They are the same things as teaching morality. However basic the lessons are, they are moral lessons.

    Strippers can have character (especially ex-strippers), discipline and be active citizens
    I find it interesting you gave more credence to the notion that strippers have no character, but are more likely to have character once they leave that life. No matter, anyhow, as I responding to the concept that educators do not teach morality.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Under current circumstances, it is absolutely right.

    Firstly, the education world is fundamentally a conservative order. It seeks to maintain some semblance of the status-quo, in part out of fear of rocking the boat, and because it is easier to control. This requires conformity, due to the wide clientele, the perspective that the families still have a right to determine the course of their children's upbringing, and the wider social-political structure. Educators are representatives of that order, and of the community at large.
    While I agree that maintaining social order is a desired end result of the educational system, I'd note that there is a difference between "maintaining social order" and "maintain *the* social order". Schools have sometimes been the place where the social order is changed. Sex ed is an example of that.

    And I do not believe that educators are representative of the social and political order, or the community at large.


    Second, ignoring that status-quo leads to significant classroom management issues. Students are quickly curious and motivated to finding everything out about you they can. This general principle became evident to me when I had students googling me in class rather than doing their assignment. Being employed as a stripper would have a large public footprint, the students would be able to find that information out, and the news spreads like wildfire. Students who are both sexually curious and sexually excitable would not look at their instructor the same way again, and that important portion of respect necessary between the student and teacher is likely to be severed.
    No, being a stripper doesn't have a large public footprint, as demonstrated by the examples of women who worked as strippers for years without being found out.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They are the same things as teaching morality. However basic the lessons are, they are moral lessons.



    I find it interesting you gave more credence to the notion that strippers have no character, but are more likely to have character once they leave that life. No matter, anyhow, as I responding to the concept that educators do not teach morality.
    I disagree. History, math, science, etc are not the same as teaching morality and an ex-stripper is just as capable of teaching those things as any other person.

    And nowhere did I say that strippers have no character. Not sure where you got that from.
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    Re: Would you marry a stripper?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    While I agree that maintaining social order is a desired end result of the educational system, I'd note that there is a difference between "maintaining social order" and "maintain *the* social order". Schools have sometimes been the place where the social order is changed. Sex ed is an example of that.
    Then look in broader strokes. On the whole, that is what you are getting.

    And I do not believe that educators are representative of the social and political order, or the community at large.
    No offense, but how on earth can you claim that? Teacher colleges across the country have that expressed notion. Schools across the country maintain that notion for their employees. It was even pounded into me for years. Even society at large accepts that principle.


    No, being a stripper doesn't have a large public footprint, as demonstrated by the examples of women who worked as strippers for years without being found out.
    And has the internet taught you little about what often has happened to teachers with less than stellar side-lives?
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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