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Would you marry a stripper?

Would you marry a stripper?

  • Yes, if I believed she truly loved me for me and not because I was saving her.

    Votes: 29 43.9%
  • No, nothing but trouble there.

    Votes: 37 56.1%

  • Total voters
    66
Then that competition had nothing to do with cheer leading or rhythmic gymnastics as the earlier posts suggested. Their rules are very firm about that kind of thing and conflating cheer/gymnastics with stripping is improper.

And I still disagree. Rules are rules and one aspect of competitions are pushing the rules to the edge. Its not really what people do or even the rules that are the measure, but rather what winners do that wins.

The psychology behind has a judge give an 8.5 or a 9.0 or whatever is not exact mathematical science. As she shifted via age from being a juvenile competitor to an adoloscent and young teen led her to conclude sensuality and sexuality has a large play - either negatively or positively - as she saw how competitors were judged including in videos for competitions she was not in.

Otherwise, I will even stand on my point about cheerleaders. They do not have the male cheerleaders go out shirtless and in a bathing suit only. Why do female cheerleaders tend to have such short skirts if they bend over in the slightest you see her ass? But male cheerleaders generally have long pants and sleeved shirts?

I seriously doubt many people question if the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are not a lot about sensual and sexual attraction including in body language - and that also has a lot to do with the selection process. The only question is can she do so without crossing some ill-defined invisible line.

Sexuality isn't a part of cheerleading? Ever see the male cheerleaders doing these poises?

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Yeah, none of those and 100,000 others like it has nothing to do with sexual suggestiveness. :roll:

Certainly none of them should ever be allowed to be teachers because it would be too distracting to the male students?

I SERIOUSLY doubt that by high school their isn't 1% of high school boys who haven't often looked at the most hardcore Internet porn. And probably on their Ipods while at school passing it around too. Like it or not, times have changed. But it has always been about sex. The cheerleading routines are just a way to claim it isn't.

Cheerleading squad competitions? That is somewhat different. But the females will still be coming out in one form of hot pants or another. And the guys won't.
 
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The difference is rather simple. Exotic dancers show her tits. That's about it. That's why I call them "titty bars" rather than strip clubs. Almost any bar with a lot of young women will basically instantly become a "titty bar" by announcing a wet T-shirt contest - though I suppose technically their tits are covered. But its a woman's ass that more turns guys on and that's the old bump and grind.
 
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i call this a cheerleader looks more like a stripper.
 
Goodness I have completely forgotten what this thread about about.
Dude has a point
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i call this a cheerleader looks more like a stripper.
 
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Yeah, none of those and 100,000 others like it has nothing to do with sexual suggestiveness. :roll:

Certainly none of them should ever be allowed to be teachers because it would be too distracting to the male students?

I SERIOUSLY doubt that by high school their isn't 1% of high school boys who haven't often looked at the most hardcore Internet porn. And probably on their Ipods while at school passing it around too. Like it or not, times have changed. But it has always been about sex. The cheerleading routines are just a way to claim it isn't.

Cheerleading squad competitions? That is somewhat different. But the females will still be coming out in one form of hot pants or another. And the guys won't.

Do you think if people would start throwing 1 dollar bills they would get offended
 
And I still disagree. Rules are rules and one aspect of competitions are pushing the rules to the edge. Its not really what people do or even the rules that are the measure, but rather what winners do that wins.

The psychology behind has a judge give an 8.5 or a 9.0 or whatever is not exact mathematical science. As she shifted via age from being a juvenile competitor to an adoloscent and young teen led her to conclude sensuality and sexuality has a large play - either negatively or positively - as she saw how competitors were judged including in videos for competitions she was not in.

Otherwise, I will even stand on my point about cheerleaders. They do not have the male cheerleaders go out shirtless and in a bathing suit only. Why do female cheerleaders tend to have such short skirts if they bend over in the slightest you see her ass? But male cheerleaders generally have long pants and sleeved shirts?

I seriously doubt many people question if the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are not a lot about sensual and sexual attraction including in body language - and that also has a lot to do with the selection process. The only question is can she do so without crossing some ill-defined invisible line.

Sexuality isn't a part of cheerleading? Ever see the male cheerleaders doing these poises?

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Those are NFL cheer leaders. You said your wife was involved in cheer from 8-19. Big difference and that is what I was addressing. The competition organizations have very specific rules. Image if everything with them, as it should be with these young ladies.

http://usasfrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/USASF_ImageAppearance-9-21-12.pdf

http://nca.varsity.com/pdfs/college_rule_book.pdf Pg. 18
9. Routines must be appropriate for family viewing. Any vulgar or suggestive movements (hip thrusting, inappropriate touching/slapping/positioning to one another, etc.), words, costuming or music will result in a .5 score deduction. No tear-away uniforms or removal of clothing is allowed.

About Competitive Cheerleading :: Rules and regulations from the National Cheerleading Association.
 
There was a guy who had a pretty good pick up line. He'd approach the women (at the club) and say he really didn't mean to bother her, "don't take it wrong" and that he'd go on his way - wasn't trying to get anything from her... but he just felt he should give her a $20 bill (setting beside her) for the privilege of being able to look at her for a while. Say "sorry, I guess you could take that wrong" and step away. It wasn't all that rare for the woman to stop him because she wanted to talk to him some more.
 
Those are NFL cheer leaders. You said your wife was involved in cheer from 8-19. Big difference and that is what I was addressing. The competition organizations have very specific rules. Image if everything with them, as it should be with these young ladies.

http://usasfrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/USASF_ImageAppearance-9-21-12.pdf

http://nca.varsity.com/pdfs/college_rule_book.pdf Pg. 18


About Competitive Cheerleading :: Rules and regulations from the National Cheerleading Association.

Does it mean that there was a problem with the dress code to make those rules . There is a reason why females are in skirts and males in pants If you think it is not about sexuality you are just kidding yourself . They go in affect this year what about pass years.
 
Those are NFL cheer leaders. You said your wife was involved in cheer from 8-19. Big difference and that is what I was addressing. The competition organizations have very specific rules. Image if everything with them, as it should be with these young ladies.

http://usasfrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/USASF_ImageAppearance-9-21-12.pdf

http://nca.varsity.com/pdfs/college_rule_book.pdf Pg. 18


About Competitive Cheerleading :: Rules and regulations from the National Cheerleading Association.

Since you have narrowed it down to competitive cheerleading, I will largely agree and, in fact, that fits into my wife's view of going anti-sexuality if female judges. From what I see, essentially all cheerleading competition coaches and judges are women. As I stated, in the instance of female judges, she went towards proactively avoiding hints of sexuality and sensuality.
 
There was a guy who had a pretty good pick up line. He'd approach the women (at the club) and say he really didn't mean to bother her, "don't take it wrong" and that he'd go on his way - wasn't trying to get anything from her... but he just felt he should give her a $20 bill (setting beside her) for the privilege of being able to look at her for a while. Say "sorry, I guess you could take that wrong" and step away. It wasn't all that rare for the woman to stop him because she wanted to talk to him some more.

I think my mother fell for that line
 
What !!! They are lucky people arent throwing pennies at them.

At the club it was made very clear no one could throw coins (or any other hard object) and even throwing money discouraged. A man throwing coins would likely soon see himself "throw" too - out into the parking lot - on his face.
 
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i call this a cheerleader looks more like a stripper.

I suppose the question of this thread is would you consider marrying a woman like that?

I suppose some men would answer, "sure, I'd be willing to be married to her... until a better younger one came along down the road."
 
Does it mean that there was a problem with the dress code to make those rules . There is a reason why females are in skirts and males in pants If you think it is not about sexuality you are just kidding yourself . They go in affect this year what about pass years.

I have no way of knowing, I just know there are strict standards. There may be inherent sexuality in cheerleading, but behavior as was described in those posts, is not allowed in scholastic competition. They aren't training strippers.

Those are the current rules from the website because that is all that matters in this scholastic year.
 
At the club it was made very clear no one could throw coins (or any other hard object) and even throwing money discouraged. A man throwing coins would likely soon see himself "throw" too - out into the parking lot - on his face.

You know a lot about strip clubs. I hope your wife does not go on this site . Darn I wanted to get rid of all these pennies : (

Since you seem to no alote do they take credit cards
 
Since you have narrowed it down to competitive cheerleading, I will largely agree and, in fact, that fits into my wife's view of going anti-sexuality if female judges. From what I see, essentially all cheerleading competition coaches and judges are women. As I stated, in the instance of female judges, she went towards proactively avoiding hints of sexuality and sensuality.

You were the were the one who narrowed it to competitive cheerleading. I wouldn't have responded otherwise.
She said that is a lot about sex and suggestiveness - although is strictly supposed to be atheletics, but with an abstract set of limitations in which the girls don't overtly make it look like she's trying to be seductive or making sexual suggestions. For certain types of competitions - again all athletic but judged -

The cheer organizations which run the competitions and define the rules, forbid non-family friendly routines. The language is right there. It has nothing to do with who are the judges and coaches.
 
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You know a lot about strip clubs. I hope your wife does not go on this site .

I worked at one for 12 years. A very large, crowded minority rough one. She pulled off the interstate in a driving nearly freezing rain in a Chicago fall into a very bad minority part of the city(she was on her Yamaha MC) pulling under a shop overhang across the street, saw me briefly outside, and decided to do a sneak-dash in past the door checkers. There was almost an immediate commotion over her - putting it into my job area - and approaching and seeing this cute little teen told everyone "get away from her, she's with me." They knew that meant back off.

I should have put her out of the club, but didn't, just too facinating I guess - a little white blonde in an all white Yamaha leather racing suit SO out of place, and parked her at the far corner of one of the bars telling a couple buds to look after her and "no booze." With it near closing time, and it now below freezing, with her still there. Just watching me.

Had her bike put in the back of the club and asked if she had taxi money. She said no. Offered her to crash at my flat across the street. We talked there. She told of herself openly. I was totally amazed. Never had a drink, or cigarette, didn't swear, never even dated and wanted to have sex with only one man in her life - after marriage. Perfect moral conduct and decency. I never knew anyone like her even existed. And I told of myself honestly too. Women. Liqour. Drugs. Violence. Crime. Party life. She never knew there were people like me. Ying and yang, polar opposites, infactuated with the reality of the other.

At one point in that first conversation, I said, "well, then you wouldn't marry someone like me, would you?" She dropped her head, was silent for a notable pause, folded her hands on her lap (later I learned she was praying), then looked up and said, "yes, all that was before me."

Damn! Had I just asked that little teenager who looked age 15 to marry me and she said yes?! I changed the topic. In fact, that is exactly how she took it. From that moment her goal was to make that happen, and for a year I was not going to be so low-life scum as to polute her with someone like trash-me, ruining her life doing so.

I could get sex from other women. I actually admired and respected her, and liked just being with. I didn't like otherwise being with other women, never did. She never complained of my being with other women. Just tried to figure how to get on my list - and I never ever willing to. It never occured to me I was doing anything wrong in promiscous sex. It was just sex. I had basically no moral code of any kind nor concept of one. But I would protect her.

So wouldnt I allow any other SOB to even get near her. She liked that about me. I assigned myself the role of her body guard - including from myself - exactly not what she wanted. She slept on the couch, asked me if I would like to visit her church that Sunday AM. I had never been to a church in my life and agreed...

She spent many a night on that couch and many a night sitting at the back corner of that bar. 6-7 years ago. She knew what I was, what I did. She saw it. And more heard about it from others there. Including women talking about having been in my bed.

A buddy warned me that she was the "most dangerous woman at the club." If you take one of the others for the night, you might wake up with your wallet gone, the police raiding for something she has in her purse, she might go crazy on you, an angry boyfriend or husband come gunning for you, or even get a disease. But with her, the danger is you'll wake up some day to a house full of babies and you having to get up just after sunrise for work or church. No more getting drunk, no more 'tokin, no more women. Still, he added that just one night of busting her might still be worth it.

That's what I finally decided anyway. Luckiest break I've had in my previously oft unlucky and troubled life.

That was 6-7 years ago. There are 4 children little in our house, and I do often get up shortly after sunrise for work and go with her with the children to church. I try very hard to understand what is moral and decent by trying to figure out her. And, curiously and part of her goal, she tries very hard to figure me out including to experience the vices of life. She was my rescuing little angel who dashed into hell for me - and I was the sort of demon she was looking for including for safe, skillful sinning.
 
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Hey folks, I like reflecting back for myself on the past. No one has to read it, believe it or like it. I do sometime ponder how I got to where I am now. Not how I thought my life would go.
 
I suppose the question of this thread is would you consider marrying a woman like that?

I suppose some men would answer, "sure, I'd be willing to be married to her... until a better younger one came along down the road."

Marry? No. But I'd ride it like a new bike.
 
Nice pics, but those are NOT high school cheerleaders obviously. :lol:
 
The competition I referred to was not typical and her entered by mistake - accepted for her overall years of successes resume' - and her coach urged her to drop out. It was a created competition for rythmic gymnastics dance. She never did dance competitions...snip

..This was a free form dance competition for which what constitutes best was entirely abstract.

Not buying it because it's not what you said before

She said that is a lot about sex and suggestiveness - although is strictly supposed to be atheletics, but with an abstract set of limitations in which the girls don't overtly make it look like she's trying to be seductive or making sexual suggestions. For certain types of competitions - again all athletic but judged - she significantly changed her body language in those routines depending upon whether the judge was male or female. If a man/men she shifted towards being "cute," "flighty," and with very suggestive body and facial language. If a woman/women, then serious minded and with little expression trying to downplay any suggestions of sexuality. If a mixed group of judges, she counted whether it was more men than women.

For one competition, she learned all 3 judges were older men - very rare for women's competitions. And she knew she was up against some of the best competitors in the world, so she entirely changed her routine's intro for the finals.

You said she regularly changed her routine in athletic competitions depending on the gender of the judges. Now, it was just one non-athletic competition
 
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