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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    this is one of the issues that made me rethink my conservatism. Years ago when I started working on my Masters degree I decided to focus on UHC and be able to demonstrate how much better our system is/was. After learning about the science of healthcare and universal healthcare I found out I was wrong, and the RW had been stating basically lies against healthcare. Now I never ever decide what I think about an issue because of what a political party thinks of it. I think about what I think and if it matters to me do the research.
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    Agreed. UHC goes against almost everything I believe in, economics and free-market wise, but... after many years of discussing and reading the pros and cons, I have to make an exception. It would have issues of it's own, no disagreement there whatsoever, but I do believe it would be better than our present system in an overall sense.
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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I hadn't heard of this, but I'm not surprised. just one more symptom of our failing health care system. I suppose a mentally ill patient is going to have to kill someone on a bus before anyone cares about it. even then, we won't fix the problem, because the solution will be deemed "socialism."
    Not if the son of bitch incarcerated like he's supposed to be ( in the scenario where he kills someone).
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    Most mentally ill were deinstituitonalized in the 80's I think it was. No money in chronic mental healthcare.
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    Not if the son of bitch incarcerated like he's supposed to be ( in the scenario where he kills someone).
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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Is that like British ambulances' hospitals of not letting their patients enter the hospital for hours in order to keep the "wait times" down?

    No, it isn't.
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    Well, yea, you are right.
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    No, it isn't.
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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Not if the son of bitch incarcerated like he's supposed to be ( in the scenario where he kills someone).
    Why are you adding a criminal element to this topic?

    Where did that come from?

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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why are you adding a criminal element to this topic?

    Where did that come from?
    Helix added the scenario....
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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Having actually spent time in England, Liverpool, and spoken with a wide slice of brits from retired to 20 somethings, I envy the British system. When my wife had strep throat we were seen quickly and politely, when we attempted to pay at the end, as we unnecessarily explained we are Americans, the staff said no charge, even for yanks.
    having spent time in Japan, and spoken with a moderate slice of people who utilize the Single-Payer system here, we sure as heck don't. My wife, for example, is about 7 months pregnant, and is very happy that she will be delivering in an American medical system (where you get pain med's), as opposed to the Japanese one (where you don't - they're expensive, you know).

    back in the states 'quality' healthcare seems a bit much of a claim, long wait times even with an appointment, hurried examinations, mumbled talk of tests, and out the door. Heaven help ya if you don't have insurance, you will spend all day waiting.
    The truth is in the numbers - Americans receive greater access to higher quality medicine than Britain, Canada, or the competitors. Whether it is preventative screenings, MRI's, cancer survival rates, what-have-you, Americans get more, and the more that they get is better.

    Expensive health care I'll agree with. But I guess quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder...
    ... except that this one comes with metrics

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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    having spent time in Japan, and spoken with a moderate slice of people who utilize the Single-Payer system here, we sure as heck don't. My wife, for example, is about 7 months pregnant, and is very happy that she will be delivering in an American medical system (where you get pain med's), as opposed to the Japanese one (where you don't - they're expensive, you know). The truth is in the numbers - Americans receive greater access to higher quality medicine than Britain, Canada, or the competitors. Whether it is preventative screenings, MRI's, cancer survival rates, what-have-you, Americans get more, and the more that they get is better.... except that this one comes with metrics
    Your wife is receiving 'American medical system' care, you mean like civilians do here in the states or MILITARY care which is a world of care different. An E-3 I know, a 43 alpha, his wife just dropped a kid. Was rather sad she didn't get to keep her civilian doctor and had to go with a military assigned one. Here in Oklahoma pain killers are cheaper than anti-biotics for some odd reason, so not sure if the actual cost of the drug is what drives the Japanese system.

    In England, the place where you made the wait claims and apparently don't have much experience with, the Brits I know have a tiered system. Very few Brits are 'basic' health care patients. Most have 'riders' that upgrade their service. They really seem to like that system, basic for all and the ability to have better care if you buy an upgrade.

    The truth is and many reports and surveys done by professionals show we Americans pay the most for a very uneven level of care. We Americans get more and better only if we pay a great deal of money for that 'improved' level of care. Screenings? cancer survival rates? Life expectancy?

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    Re: Patient Dumping - Ever Heard Of It?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yep, I do - and the practice is a lot older than you might think.

    It's just a different (and more radical!) form than it took decades ago when hospitals were first required to treat people in the ER. Many hospitals would put people in a taxi and send them over to the nearest shelter or publicly funded hospital. Prior to the 80's it was sometimes done when a hospital admitted a patient then found out their insurance was no good - but many people died in ER parking lots and waiting rooms, too, because the hospital knew right up front they didn't have insurance. This kind of BS is the main reason I stick up for UHC. I've seen first hand what happens when we don't have it and hospitals pick and choose their patients.
    Patient dumping has been around for decades.

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