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Thread: Backpacks, just say no?

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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you are saying that after 9-11 when box cutters were banned from planes it was stupid, paranoid even.
    Honestly, yes. I think the event itself made us more safe than any measures taken since then have. What has prevented the other attempts at hijacking a plane in the last 12 years has been vigilance and passenger/staff action.

    Now, there really isn't much need for a boxcutter onboard an airplane, so it may not be unreasonable to at least question someone who is taking one in their carryons, but it is unreasonable to ban many of the other things that are being banned in the name of plane security, such as liquids and sharp, pointy objects.
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by serenity View Post
    no they should not. What's next, shopping bags? Baby strollers. Handbags?
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Honestly, yes. I think the event itself made us more safe than any measures taken since then have. What has prevented the other attempts at hijacking a plane in the last 12 years has been vigilance and passenger/staff action.

    Now, there really isn't much need for a boxcutter onboard an airplane, so it may not be unreasonable to at least question someone who is taking one in their carryons, but it is unreasonable to ban many of the other things that are being banned in the name of plane security, such as liquids and sharp, pointy objects.
    Well I guess we could go back and forth all night on this but I'm really not in the mood. All I can say is if more people are killed because people like you refuse to give up the convenience of a backpack at a public event you are the one that has to sleep at night. I just don't know how I have lived my entire life without once carrying a backpack except when I actually go backpacking, you know that thing they were made for where you carry a sleeping bag, a tent, food, clothes a fishing poll,

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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well I guess we could go back and forth all night on this but I'm really not in the mood. All I can say is if more people are killed because people like you refuse to give up the convenience of a backpack at a public event you are the one that has to sleep at night. I just don't know how I have lived my entire life without once carrying a backpack except when I actually go backpacking, you know that thing they were made for where you carry a sleeping bag, a tent, food, clothes a fishing poll,
    I'll sleep just fine because I had nothing to do with it. The blame rests solely on the shoulders of those who perpetrated the act, not those who have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's called logic. Logically I had nothing to do with a person deciding that they should use a backpack to carry around their instruments of destruction and them being allowed to do so because backpacks are not lethal by themselves.

    To me, what you are suggesting is no different than telling someone they should feel ashamed for not believing in massive gun control because some psycho decides to use a gun to kill people.

    Just because you only use your backpack in a very limited manner, doesn't mean the rest of us should be held to that same standard.
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'll sleep just fine because I had nothing to do with it. The blame rests solely on the shoulders of those who perpetrated the act, not those who have absolutely nothing to do with it. It's called logic. Logically I had nothing to do with a person deciding that they should use a backpack to carry around their instruments of destruction and them being allowed to do so because backpacks are not lethal by themselves.

    To me, what you are suggesting is no different than telling someone they should feel ashamed for not believing in massive gun control because some psycho decides to use a gun to kill people.

    Just because you only use your backpack in a very limited manner, doesn't mean the rest of us should be held to that same standard.
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have made my position clear and will give you the last word. Goodnight
    Actually, I kinda thought you were playing devil's advocate when I first saw this thread. For some reason, I figured you for an anti-ban-this-thing person. Guess I was wrong.

    My position is still the same though. I am not willing to give up freedom for security unless you can honestly show a major amount of security coming from giving up a small bit of freedom that doesn't greatly impact my life. Banning things only semirelated to the thing trying to be prevented is not worth it at all.
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, I kinda thought you were playing devil's advocate when I first saw this thread. For some reason, I figured you for an anti-ban-this-thing person. Guess I was wrong.

    My position is still the same though. I am not willing to give up freedom for security unless you can honestly show a major amount of security coming from giving up a small bit of freedom that doesn't greatly impact my life. Banning things only semirelated to the thing trying to be prevented is not worth it at all.
    Many years ago I was working in Alaska and used to frequent this bar where the patrons had a nasty habit of throwing beer bottles at bands they thought sucked.(Not me of course) One night a guy was hit in the head and severely injured so they banned beer in bottles and only served it in cans. At the time I was against it but in retrospect it worked and was the right thing to do, so yes I am for banning certain things at certain times under certain circumstances.

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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This Boston bombing could not have taken place if people were not allowed to carry backpacks to events like this. Why does anyone really need a backpack anyway? IMO it would not be asking to much to leave your backpack home. The only time I ever wear one is you know, when I'm going backpacking.

    "You have people that have their backpacks with them, a runner may have a hydration pack on them, another person may be coming to watch the race and they may have a backpack," Penza said. "You see them so much, you stop thinking that any of those bags might have explosives."

    Marathon Security Practices Scrutinized in Wake of Boston Marathon Explosions - ABC News
    Ban backpacks? Come the **** on, let's try to remain reasonable. I almost always have a backpack of sorts. Colleges would be f'd. And have you ever seen a science conference where at least half the people didn't have backpacks?

    Ban backpacks? No, we're not stupid.
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    Re: Backpacks, just say no?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Many years ago I was working in Alaska and used to frequent this bar where the patrons had a nasty habit of throwing beer bottles at bands they thought sucked.(Not me of course) One night a guy was hit in the head and severely injured so they banned beer in bottles and only served it in cans. At the time I was against it but in retrospect it worked and was the right thing to do, so yes I am for banning certain things at certain times under certain circumstances.
    As long as it was that bar, they had a specific reason to do so in that bar. They obviously attracted a rowdy crowd that they didn't want to take more effort to control. That would be completely acceptable for that private business. However, other bars should not be forced by law to ban bottles just because of that one incident, particularly if they aren't similar in nature to that bar.

    It is all about threat assessment and what you are getting for what you lose. The very little security given by banning backpacks is absolutely not worth the loss of freedom, convenience, and for some people money, not to the majority of people. This is a big reason why many cannot stand the TSA rules and how strict they have become because there really isn't a whole lot of security and safety coming from what is being given up.

    As someone else pointed out, banning things only leads to the terrorists thinking of new ways to deploy their methods. They aren't going to give up nor are you really making it harder for them to succeed. You are merely challenging them to make a better, more effective plan. The chances of a person dying in a terrorist attack is much smaller than the chances of being in a traffic accident. You are probably at a higher risk to getting hit by a car crossing the street than actually being injured even during a terrorist attack. (After living in Hawaii and even here in San Diego and observing how the city bus drivers are, I'd say many in bigger cities have a much larger chance of getting hit by a bus than being injured in a terrorist attack, and most attacks occur in those major cities.)
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