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    Is obama causing terrorism?

    When Bush was pres he was constantly assailed by the left for causing terrorism because of the Iraq war and GITMO which is still open for business. I wonder if those same people are as critical of obama for leaving GITMO open but more importantly for his drone war in Pakistan. I am not excusing terrorist but I can see why the carnage inflicted on civilians in Pakistan could anger people enough to make them want us to feel their pain.

    "Despite claims from the administration that drone strikes have killed very few civilians, multiple independent reports confirm that Obama is severely downplaying the wreckage that these drone strikes inflict. It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, but a new study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” by tracking organizations which are trying to take the place of government estimates on casualties.
    There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.
    These numbers and reports alone should cast much doubt on the effectiveness at protecting the U.S. and combating terrorism that the Obama admnistration uses as justification for drone strikes. If a drone kills an actual terrorist but leaves multiple, sometimes dozens, of innocent civilians vaporized as well, this creates a brand new set of enemies and blowback. According to Jeremy Scahill’s reporting at The Nation, U.S. drone strikes in Yemen are the primary source for Al-Qaeda’s presence in the Arabian Peninsula. Obama’s “signature strikes” — where targets are hit for displaying “suspicious behavior” and which Petraeus also wants to expand — are backfiring and can only boomerang back to us."

    Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When Bush was pres he was constantly assailed by the left for causing terrorism because of the Iraq war and GITMO which is still open for business. I wonder if those same people are as critical of obama for leaving GITMO open but more importantly for his drone war in Pakistan. I am not excusing terrorist but I can see why the carnage inflicted on civilians in Pakistan could anger people enough to make them want us to feel their pain.

    "Despite claims from the administration that drone strikes have killed very few civilians, multiple independent reports confirm that Obama is severely downplaying the wreckage that these drone strikes inflict. It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, but a new study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” by tracking organizations which are trying to take the place of government estimates on casualties.
    There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.
    These numbers and reports alone should cast much doubt on the effectiveness at protecting the U.S. and combating terrorism that the Obama admnistration uses as justification for drone strikes. If a drone kills an actual terrorist but leaves multiple, sometimes dozens, of innocent civilians vaporized as well, this creates a brand new set of enemies and blowback. According to Jeremy Scahill’s reporting at The Nation, U.S. drone strikes in Yemen are the primary source for Al-Qaeda’s presence in the Arabian Peninsula. Obama’s “signature strikes” — where targets are hit for displaying “suspicious behavior” and which Petraeus also wants to expand — are backfiring and can only boomerang back to us."

    Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Yes, things like leaving Gitmo open and our use of drones is creating enemies faster than we can kill them.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Gitmo should be closed. As for the other, it is hard to say for certain. Most Pakistani people are so poor they'd have a hard time going elsewhere to carry out terrorism and if something happens there it is hard to know if it was because of a drone strike or because the country is so corrupt, has a worthless government as far as most places go, and hates the US independent of the war on terror because of our support of India with whom they have a blood feud.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Obama in particular? No more than Bush.

    The massive, systemic unilateralism that America has pursued since before the fall of the Berlin Wall, and into which each President is virtually locked in by political and economic realities? Yes.
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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Gitmo should be closed. As for the other, it is hard to say for certain. Most Pakistani people are so poor they'd have a hard time going elsewhere to carry out terrorism and if something happens there it is hard to know if it was because of a drone strike or because the country is so corrupt, has a worthless government as far as most places go, and hates the US independent of the war on terror because of our support of India with whom they have a blood feud.
    They could however be easy recruits for terrorism by groups like Alquiada. In reality though the constant airing of civilian casualties by Al Jazeera could make for very angry people in all parts of the world that are Muslim.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Just when you thought sawyer couldn't top his last obvious over the top troll poll....


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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    They could however be easy recruits for terrorism by groups like Alquiada. In reality though the constant airing of civilian casualties by Al Jazeera could make for very angry people in all parts of the world that are Muslim.
    Yeah I doubt it is that easy unless their immediate family was wiped out.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Just when you thought sawyer couldn't top his last obvious over the top troll poll....
    In other words you refuse to answer on the grounds you will look like a hypocrite and a fool.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah I doubt it is that easy unless their immediate family was wiped out.
    If it is proven this terror attack was sanctioned by a specific government the vast majority of Americans would be for an immediate military response. Why is that different from Muslims in the Mid East wanting revenge for mass civilian casualties caused by drone attacks in Pakistan?

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