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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Yes, though it is in line with administrations before him. Our aggressive, undeclared, imperial interventionism certainly has blow back against us.
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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Yes, things like leaving Gitmo open and our use of drones is creating enemies faster than we can kill them.
    actually I have seen numerous pieces of research that contradict the drone claim, and nothing that actually supports it.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Drones in a war environment are to limit the casualties and costs on our side, while eliminating potential threats. The collateral damage or killing of innocents in a domestic setting would not be acceptable to gov or society.
    On the one hand, we have the war on terrorism.
    On the other, we have the war on drugs.

    What's the difference? A war is a war (but, then, neither of the above is really a "war", is it).
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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When Bush was pres he was constantly assailed by the left for causing terrorism because of the Iraq war and GITMO which is still open for business. I wonder if those same people are as critical of obama for leaving GITMO open but more importantly for his drone war in Pakistan. I am not excusing terrorist but I can see why the carnage inflicted on civilians in Pakistan could anger people enough to make them want us to feel their pain.

    "Despite claims from the administration that drone strikes have killed very few civilians, multiple independent reports confirm that Obama is severely downplaying the wreckage that these drone strikes inflict. It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, but a new study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” by tracking organizations which are trying to take the place of government estimates on casualties.
    There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.
    These numbers and reports alone should cast much doubt on the effectiveness at protecting the U.S. and combating terrorism that the Obama admnistration uses as justification for drone strikes. If a drone kills an actual terrorist but leaves multiple, sometimes dozens, of innocent civilians vaporized as well, this creates a brand new set of enemies and blowback. According to Jeremy Scahill’s reporting at The Nation, U.S. drone strikes in Yemen are the primary source for Al-Qaeda’s presence in the Arabian Peninsula. Obama’s “signature strikes” — where targets are hit for displaying “suspicious behavior” and which Petraeus also wants to expand — are backfiring and can only boomerang back to us."

    Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare
    The only thing worse than Democrats not criticizing Obama for continuing Bush era policies is Republicans not praising him for it.
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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When Bush was pres he was constantly assailed by the left for causing terrorism because of the Iraq war and GITMO which is still open for business. I wonder if those same people are as critical of obama for leaving GITMO open but more importantly for his drone war in Pakistan. I am not excusing terrorist but I can see why the carnage inflicted on civilians in Pakistan could anger people enough to make them want us to feel their pain.

    "Despite claims from the administration that drone strikes have killed very few civilians, multiple independent reports confirm that Obama is severely downplaying the wreckage that these drone strikes inflict. It is ultimately impossible to get exact numbers, but a new study from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” by tracking organizations which are trying to take the place of government estimates on casualties.
    There are estimates as high as 98% of drone strike casualties being civilians (50 for every one "suspected terrorist"). The Bureau of Investigative Journalism issued a report detailing how the CIA is deliberately targeting those who show up after the sight of an attack, rescuers, and mourners at funerals as a part of a "double-tap" strategy eerily reminiscient of methods used by terrorist groups like Hamas.
    These numbers and reports alone should cast much doubt on the effectiveness at protecting the U.S. and combating terrorism that the Obama admnistration uses as justification for drone strikes. If a drone kills an actual terrorist but leaves multiple, sometimes dozens, of innocent civilians vaporized as well, this creates a brand new set of enemies and blowback. According to Jeremy Scahill’s reporting at The Nation, U.S. drone strikes in Yemen are the primary source for Al-Qaeda’s presence in the Arabian Peninsula. Obama’s “signature strikes” — where targets are hit for displaying “suspicious behavior” and which Petraeus also wants to expand — are backfiring and can only boomerang back to us."

    Predator Drone Strikes: 50 Civilians Are Killed For Every 1 Terrorist, and the CIA Only Wants to Up Drone Warfare
    I may disagree with President Obama on quite a few of his domestic agendas, but when it comes to fighting terrorist and terrorism, I think the president has done a very good job. In fact I have seen little in his foreign policy that I really had heartburn over.
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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The only thing worse than Democrats not criticizing Obama for continuing Bush era policies is Republicans not praising him for it.
    yeah, as someone who tends to shy away from party affiliation, the complete and blatant switch with the above, and the personal mandate being a tax or not, seemed like something out of a George Orwell knock off

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    [QUOTE=Dittohead not!;1061702647]Shooting cockroaches with a pellet gun would no doubt kill cockroaches.
    As an approach to ridding your house of the pests, it just might to more damage than it is worth.

    Killing terrorist suspects, along with some inevitable collateral damage, is like shooting cockroaches in your house with a pellet gun.

    It could be worse. The homeowner could use a .22.

    Now, if drone attacks on terrorists is such a good idea, why not use the same tactic to kill gang leaders right here in the USA?[/QUOTE]

    Food for thought.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In what sort of idiotic, mixed up world does the effect ever preceed the cause?

    People that unclear on the concept should not be conducting phony polls, even if their complete partisan hackery seems to compel them to do so.
    So you never blamed Bush for terrorism? You were not in the GITMO is creating terrorist, Iraq war is doing the same camp?

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I may disagree with President Obama on quite a few of his domestic agendas, but when it comes to fighting terrorist and terrorism, I think the president has done a very good job. In fact I have seen little in his foreign policy that I really had heartburn over.
    All very interesting but this thread is asking those that blamed Bush for terrorism if they now blame obama.

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    Re: Is obama causing terrorism?

    No, Obama isn't causing terrorism. Terrorists have been around longer than Obama has been alive.
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