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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think I can safely suggest that marijuana was not the primary cause of this behavior. If he stole a sandwich, I would believe it but a car is just too ambitious for a stoner. Or it was a good excuse for car theft. Or I'm wrong.

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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Since it appears from many arguments I've seen that pot actually has no ill or dangerous effects either to the user or any one around them and causes basically zero impairment of judgment or reflexes, shouldn't driving while high be legal? If not, why not?

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    I think we need to go to functional enforcement. If you're driving is impaired and you're seen swerving or being reckless, you can get pulled over and possibly arrested. But there should be a measured effect. Then you don't need to run around with special laws and questionable enforcement.
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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    When you **** up, that's how you'll get caught. Very simple really.

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    And who is going to judge when you're too stoned to drive?

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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    When you **** up, that's how you'll get caught. Very simple really.
    So even if you don't bounce off a curb, nail a parked car or swerve into oncoming traffic, you think hindering traffic in general, even in the right lane many states have minimum speeds, is not a concern?

    Do you think tests should be developed similar to the breathalizers and States to set limits of 'intoxication' for on the spot checks?
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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    I did read what you stated.
    t's not that there isn't any, its that such reports are rarely, if ever, reported. I personally know someone who was killed due to someone high on pot and driving. They were not driving slow. In fact they were speeding. From what I gathered the guy was so high that he couldn't feel his extremities unless his attention was directly brought to those extremities. So his foot was probably pressed down harder than he realized due to an improperly placed drivers seat. (ie seat was too close to the front for his size) He was also driving a stolen vehicle. Though in his defense he hadn't realized that it wasn't his vehicle in his drug induced state. The owner had left the keys in the ignition and the car was the same make/model/paint job as the drivers car. So it was kind of understandable that the driver had gotten in it. I've made that mistake myself a couple of times and I wasn't even drunk or high but completely sober. But it was also that sobriety that made me realize I wasn't in my car because the inside didn't have the same items in it. And I'm not the only one that happens to. Someone got into my car thinking it was his before also..at least until he got inside lol.

    If you've ever been so high on pot that you couldn't feel your extremities, I hope you'll turn me on to your dealer. Must be some good **** since in 50+ years of pot smoking I've managed to stay in touch with my extremities.

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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    So, try hindering traffic when you're stone cold sober and see how that works out for you. Bad driving is illegal, sober or not.

    I'm not a supporter of "spot checks" but if you drive suspiciously, sure, a test would be appropriate just as they do with alcohol.




    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    So even if you don't bounce off a curb, nail a parked car or swerve into oncoming traffic, you think hindering traffic in general, even in the right lane many states have minimum speeds, is not a concern?

    Do you think tests should be developed similar to the breathalizers and States to set limits of 'intoxication' for on the spot checks?

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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Let me put my two cents in.

    I am a professional driver by trade. I don't drive as near as much as I used to as I run a business and only pinch hit now and again. However I am willing to bet that I have put on more miles backwards then most of you going forwards. The average professional over a 20 year career will put about 2.5 million or more miles on. I have 15 years of driving experience and no accidents. I used to instruct new drivers. I was a safety evaluator for major company. I am stating these facts so that you have an idea how much driving and experience I have under my belt. I AM an expert in these type matters.

    Driving impaired is a bad idea. Its simply put a matter of perception time, and reaction time. That's pretty much it. If you ingest something that tends to alters those negatively YOU ARE IMPAIRED and ARE a danger to those around them. If you are tired YOU ARE IMPAIRED. There's very little that helps with perception or reaction. The military has some go pills that simply allow you to LONGER without sleep unimpaired. Those however are restricted to military personnel on active combat duties. I digress. It is NOT a good idea to drive stoned or otherwise impaired, you WILL increase your chances of being in an accident. You have to remember YOU are NOT the only one on the road, there are other people and you have to interact with them with very little if any communication in very short durations. Impairment shortens the time you PERCIEVE a threat and REACT to a threat, now reaction times and perception times are divided by most times by two or more because that's how many drivers involved are reacting and adjusting to their perceptions. Most people have very little, very rudimentary proper driving instruction and a whole lot of basic experience were they have ingrained a lot of habits that are detrimental to perceptions and reactions. When you add impairment it makes things that much worse. Now people can drive impaired successfully and do everyday, however your chances of having an incident are by an order of magnitude increased greatly. Which leads to this, impairment while driving even if you are tired has LEGAL implications if you DO get into an incident. Most if not all those implications are not to the advantage of the impaired driver. And that may cost you your money and or your freedom.

    I am very libertarian in my views. I am trained and have trained people in how to drive in a adverse driving environment, so my safety I know how to deal with, as well as my families as they are trained well. So I don't particularly care if you are on the road impaired and will deal with it if you are with me. I don't believe there should laws regarding impairment except when you get into an accident. All that said, I highly suggest to you NOT to drive impaired whether by substance or lack of sleep, its a MUCH less expensive way to drive.
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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's not that there isn't any, its that such reports are rarely, if ever, reported. I personally know someone who was killed due to someone high on pot and driving. They were not driving slow. In fact they were speeding. From what I gathered the guy was so high that he couldn't feel his extremities unless his attention was directly brought to those extremities. So his foot was probably pressed down harder than he realized due to an improperly placed drivers seat. (ie seat was too close to the front for his size) He was also driving a stolen vehicle. Though in his defense he hadn't realized that it wasn't his vehicle in his drug induced state. The owner had left the keys in the ignition and the car was the same make/model/paint job as the drivers car. So it was kind of understandable that the driver had gotten in it. I've made that mistake myself a couple of times and I wasn't even drunk or high but completely sober. But it was also that sobriety that made me realize I wasn't in my car because the inside didn't have the same items in it. And I'm not the only one that happens to. Someone got into my car thinking it was his before also..at least until he got inside lol.

    Anyways you might be thinking how I know all these details...all I can say is I live in a small town and in small towns word spreads quickly when something major happens.
    Bwhahaha! Thanks for the rumor. (I personally like the disclaimer that tries to explain why you know all this stuff, nice try) You got something wrong though THC does not make your extremities numb, that would be cocaine.

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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So, try hindering traffic when you're stone cold sober and see how that works out for you. Bad driving is illegal, sober or not.

    I'm not a supporter of "spot checks" but if you drive suspiciously, sure, a test would be appropriate just as they do with alcohol.
    If someone is stone cold sober and hindering traffic, then they deserve the ticket they may get. If it's due to intoxication, then it's ticket and then some. So why allow even more people to be out there, 'intoxicated', a voluntary state for most, and only recieve just a ticket?

    Did you know that if a diabetic has low blood sugar, a reaction similar to being intoxicated, and they get pulled over, they can lose their license permanently? One is a voluntary situation, one is not, yet the involuntary situation carries a stiffer penalty.

    Personally, I feel that intoxication, alcohol or pot, should carry an even stiffer penalty than the diabetic. Because you're voluntarily putting others at risk because judgement is impaired.

    I don't care if you smoke at home, at a friends house, or someplace like a bar if it were to become legal. That's your choice. Once you take it on the road, your inflicting it on other people.
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    Re: Should driving during or right after smoking pot be legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Maybe, but it's a much more rare occurance. People who are drunk often swerve and hit things. The only effect mj has, apparently, is causing someone to drive slow. Heck, since people tend to get more injured the greater the speed, couldn't the argument even be made that driving while high is actually safer?
    Not true at all. I have had some really bad trips smoking weed, once right before driving. I had to pull over and wait for about an hour on the verge of a panic attack before I could start driving again.

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