View Poll Results: Should the Cuban Embargo be ended?

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  • No. We cannot cooperate in making Communism successful 90 miles from the US coast

    4 8.70%
  • Yes. Its time to end the Cuban Embargo.

    35 76.09%
  • Yes, but with limits, restrictions and tarrifs.

    5 10.87%
  • Yes, but lets do it with democrats in power owning the backlash from the Cuban exile community.

    2 4.35%
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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I love how people throw out the "communism/socialism" thing like it's nuclear-cancer that's contagious just by virtue of thinking about it.

    What concessions has China made?

    What if the people of Cuba are completely content with their form of government?
    Maybe they're all happy?

    Why can't we do business with them and sell things to them? Why can't we take their money?
    Will we catch communist cooties from it?

    Maybe the best way to defeat communism is to simply help them see a "better" way by interacting with them.

    Obviously trying to ignore them and act like they don't exist isn't doing anything.


    I just don't get what the "fear" is.
    While not a "nuclear cancer" it is indeed a cancer to the species called humans.

    Under G.H. Bush (Bush sr. to some) China conceded to "capitalist zones" in their country to keep their trade status with the US. This allowed foreign/private ownership of economic instruments and is the key to their current economic "success".

    We shouldn't do business with them because instead of promoting socialism as something that works it encourages the spread. By us doing business with them, we would be giving false data on how socialism really works. Just like China was an economic/social failure prior to capitalist zones being established, any country choosing socialism should suffer the depredations of socialism without receiving any benefits from those who practice some form capitalism.

    Further, socialism being an ideal which ends in theft and slavery is the enemy of freedom. If you believe in freedom, then socialism is your enemy and any business done with socialist only provides benefits to your enemy. That is why I don't even buy products that I know are built in union shops or come from liberal states.

    Fear has nothing to do with it. An enemy is an enemy and should not be given aid, comfort or any kind of help but should be encouraged to wither and die on their own if possible or destroyed militarily if necessary.
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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo? Should it be ended but with conditions such as tariffs on Cuban imports and fees to protect the US tourism industry from new competition as vacationers may want to see Cuba rather than the Keys, Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands for their next tropical snowbird winter getaway?

    FYI: To bring a little political dynamic light to the issue, the Cuban embargo continues to this day due in large part to political pressure from the Cuban-American exile community in Florida. Because of resentment toward John F. Kennedy over his backing out of the Bay Of Pigs invasion while it was in progress and later to a smaller extent resentment toward Bill Clinton over his handling of the Elian Gonzalez case, the Cuban-American exile community in Florida is a reliable Republican voting block and the only solid Hispanic GOP voting block. Depending upon which side the Republican party is seen lining up on this issue, it could sway the Cuban-American exile community away from the GOP, cost the GOP Congressional seats and potentially the White House in future years with the third largest Electoral College prize and largest of the swing states.
    Yes it is time!!! We as the American people deserve to easily obtain quality Cuban rum!!
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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    what would you have done if you were in power at the time?...... keep in mind that the Castro regime just nationalized US properties and businesses without compensation.( which is the very reason the embargo began)....

    let's see how you would serve your citizens in the face of the livelihoods, their property, and their businesses being stolen by Castro
    I would respect a countries sovereignty and not put in power an embargo, and realize the world is not my countries and my countries corporations playground.


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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    those relations usually serve a strategic purpose.
    So we're whores then? That's what you're saying?

    Screw (no pun intended) morality and doing what's right, if it's for the almighty dollar, or for the "good" of 'merika, we'll dive down the deepest sewer imaginable, but if they got nothin' we want.... we'll play all high and mighty just for show?

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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post

    Fear has nothing to do with it. An enemy is an enemy and should not be given aid, comfort or any kind of help but should be encouraged to wither and die on their own if possible or destroyed militarily if necessary.
    Actually - your whole post smacks of fear.

    Cuba is not our "enemy" for god's sakes.

    We have nothing to fear from Cuba, and everything to gain.
    Last edited by Dragonfly; 04-16-13 at 02:23 PM.

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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So we're whores then?
    No, you just seemingly fail to distinguish between supposed values and reality.

    That's what you're saying?
    No, I was attempting to explain an adult concept to someone with the mentality of a child, apparently. As in, we tolerate such behavior because it furthers our political interest, like any other nation. And like any other nation, we make hay about it when it doesn't serve our political interests.

    If you can't reconcile the fact that foreign relations are more complex than a series of normative values, I don't know what to tell you

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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    I see no reason to end the Embargo. Cuba is still a communist nation that isn't necessarily an ally of ours
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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, you just seemingly fail to distinguish between supposed values and reality.



    No, I was attempting to explain an adult concept to someone with the mentality of a child, apparently. As in, we tolerate such behavior because it furthers our political interest, like any other nation. And like any other nation, we make hay about it when it doesn't serve our political interests.

    If you can't reconcile the fact that foreign relations are more complex than a series of normative values, I don't know what to tell you
    No - you've justified hypocrisy and painted it with pretty colors and thrown in a nice smelling deodorizer....but that doesn't change what's really happening.

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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Actually - your whole post smacks of fear.

    Cuba is not our "enemy" for god's sakes.

    We have nothing to fear from Cuba, and everything to gain.
    Define your use of "our"?

    All socialist, anywhere, by any name are the enemies of Free people. I am a free person. Cuba is socialist. Cuba is my enemy.
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    Re: Is it time to end the Cuban Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Define your use of "our"?

    All socialist, anywhere, by any name are the enemies of Free people. I am a free person. Cuba is socialist. Cuba is my enemy.
    Apparently the red scare never went away...


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