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    7 11.48%
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    4 6.56%
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    2 3.28%
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right exclusively to property, and the rights of persons may be oppressed. The feudal polity alone sufficiently proves it. Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property or the claims of justice may be overruled by a majority without property, or interested in measures of injustice. Of this abundant proof is afforded by other popular Govts. and is not without examples in our own, particularly in the laws impairing the obligation of contracts.-- james madison

    i have read early American court cases ,where people have sued because they could not vote, in one ruling the judge said flat out....." you sold your land, and your not paying taxes anymore, so you have no vote"
    And Libertarians wonder why others don't want to turn back the clock and live under that restrictive and bias system.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And Libertarians wonder why others don't want to turn back the clock and live under that restrictive and bias system.
    i dont think you even know what your are talking about in this situation.

    and i made no statement supporting any position, i stated what was created in early american history.

    your weak arguments are getting as bad as sangha's.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is there any citizen of this nation who doesn't have a stake in America?
    yes, those that only take and give nothing in return.

    those that want to use the power of government to prey on others, for their benefit.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Voting is not important at all and only the brainwashed believe that it is.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes, those that only take and give nothing in return.

    those that want to use the power of government to prey on others, for their benefit.
    I'm not saying this is your sole focus, but you did bring it up... land ownership. There are people today (not so much back then) that choose to not own property. They feel they can do better by renting and investing their money rather than get tied down by home ownership. They're not slacking by any stretch of the imagination. How does their status jive with what you have said in this thread thus far?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm not saying this is your sole focus, but you did bring it up... land ownership. There are people today (not so much back then) that choose to not own property. They feel they can do better by renting and investing their money rather than get tied down by home ownership. They're not slacking by any stretch of the imagination. How does their status jive with what you have said in this thread thus far?
    we my statement you just quoted, does not reflect owning property.

    property owning is just what the founders believed in, and they left matters such as voting up to the states.

    but i do think their is problem when people can vote for politicians who seek to raise tax on people of different classes to make those same voters happy in their envy.

    according to the founders government is supposed to treat everyone the same, and not give preference to anyone, any class, no matter much much they have or how little they have.
    Last edited by Master PO; 04-24-13 at 10:24 PM.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we my statement you just quoted, does not reflect owning property.

    property owning is just what the founders believed in, and they left matters such as voting up to the states.

    but i do think their is problem when people can vote for politicians who seek to raise tax on people of different classes to make those same voters happy in their envy.

    according to the founders government is supposed to treat everyone the same, and not give preference anyone, any class, no matter much much they have or how little they have.
    Which is, of course, why they wanted only white men to vote.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Which is, of course, why they wanted only white men to vote.
    looking at 1787, with 2013 eyes?

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Voting is important but futile. It is futile because the game is rigged with the two party system. The clearest example of this is in 3 for instances.

    1. 2000 election -- victim: Ralph Nader
    2. 2012 election -- victim: Gary Johnson
    3. 2012 election -- victim: Ron Paul

    The first two should be obvious for the fact that they weren't allowed to debate. Why? Because some corporate based non authorized "authority" came up with a set of arbitrary rules determining what qualifications must be met in order to get a seat at the table. Among which is a minimum 15% polling status. The Problem, this same authority who contributes monies to the polling agencies makes sure the candidates they wish to seclude i.e. Ralph Nader and Gary Johnson, are left odd most polls. This is very convenient. Need to poll at 15% and then exclude their names from the majority polls. This isn't the only transgression but it is the most prominent.

    The third, Ron Paul should be obvious to anyone who paid attention to the RNC convention last election cycle with the inter-party parliamentary parlor tricks the governing authority took to move the goal posts to have his delegates seated.

    All of this plus more which I haven't the time nor inclination to get into shows me that their are forces at work within our electoral system which are determined to corral the voting populous into choosing between two individuals of these unseen forces choosing. The unseen force being the consensus of corporate interests.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Voting should be mandatory for all citizens that can legally vote. What is the point of having a democracy if people dont vote or participate.. then we might as well have kept our kings/queens/emperors.
    What's the point of faux democracy?

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