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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Voting should be mandatory for all citizens that can legally vote. What is the point of having a democracy if people dont vote or participate.. then we might as well have kept our kings/queens/emperors.
    The United States of America is supposed to be a Republic not a Democracy and the vote is supposed to muted somewhat to avoid violation of the rights of minority opinoion . The main problem is that we have a Two Party State and if we would allow some more parties to be on the ballot then our voting participation would be higher. Until this is corrected having a mandatory vote in the USA would not be any different than those totalitarian One Party governments that also require the vote.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The GOP is not a libertarian party?
    yes it is.... in many many ways. It has just been corrupted by the religious right. It is funny how people were GOP under Bush but when the **** hit the fan, then suddenly they were Tea Party or Libertarian all of a sudden.... same thing, different name.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The United States of America is supposed to be a Republic not a Democracy and the vote is supposed to muted somewhat to avoid violation of the rights of minority opinoion .
    God.. not this again. A Republic is a democracy. One man, one vote and all that jazz.

    The main problem is that we have a Two Party State and if we would allow some more parties to be on the ballot then our voting participation would be higher.
    Yes that is a problem, but not the main problem.. the main problem is that politics is a business that is very profitable for those involved.. there is simply way too much money involved to get elected. What was it last time.. 4 billion dollars for President alone?

    Until this is corrected having a mandatory vote in the USA would not be any different than those totalitarian One Party governments that also require the vote.
    Disagree. There is a possibility of more parties... in a one party government and regime there is not.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    mandatory voting is pointless youll just get a bunch of uninformed uncaring people doing something because they are forced to. I would rather have people involved and informed, work on that but mandatory never!
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    God.. not this again. A Republic is a democracy. One man, one vote and all that jazz.
    You vote for a person to represent your (or, your geographic area's) interests. You have no guarantee whatsoever that said representative will vote on bills the way you want. That's the difference between a the US system and a direct democracy.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    mandatory voting is pointless youll just get a bunch of uninformed uncaring people doing something because they are forced to. I would rather have people involved and informed, work on that but mandatory never!
    ...and we have too many of those people as it is.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    God.. not this again. A Republic is a democracy. One man, one vote and all that jazz.
    The USA has a Republic in the form of a limited Democracy. They are not the same creature overall.




    Yes that is a problem, but not the main problem.. the main problem is that politics is a business that is very profitable for those involved.. there is simply way too much money involved to get elected. What was it last time.. 4 billion dollars for President alone?
    The issue of money is not the main problem since the money is used to get the proponents message out the issue is getting the attention of the potential voters and in most cases that would require money to do so. Also keep in mind that the election of the President of a country with the population close to that of the European Community and which also has more member States would not be surprising that it would cost as much as it does. If we would have a mandatory caucus system for Parties in the States instead of Primaries by registered (party affiliation included) voters and would simply allow multiple parties instead of just the two parties would lower the cost and make it more manageable.



    Disagree. There is a possibility of more parties... in a one party government and regime there is not.
    Most states it is middling difficult to get a Third Party on the Ballot and even more difficult to manage to keep it on the ballot for the next election. Some States like my home state it is very difficult to get recognized for one election and the bar is set high to keep recognition so the Third Parties spend most of their time and effort AND MONEY just to get recognized in the first place only to have to go over again since recognition does not carry over to the next election. In my State the bar set is that a candidate must get 10% of the vote in a Statewide election so if a Party had a good show with several candidates getting say 30% for State offices but not Statewide then that is not good enough.
    Last edited by Shadow Serious; 04-16-13 at 02:00 PM. Reason: complete sentence.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    OK. I don't have to vote in this poll. It's turning out just like I thought it would.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    yes it is.... in many many ways. It has just been corrupted by the religious right. It is funny how people were GOP under Bush but when the **** hit the fan, then suddenly they were Tea Party or Libertarian all of a sudden.... same thing, different name.
    The GOP has a long-standing libertarian tradition. Not a radical one, but somewhere along the lines of the German FDP, or perhaps your Venstre ("Venstre"?! ...so much for semantics ).

    But it also was the home of socialist-in-all-but-the-name Progressives, and it is now the home of religious statists and "pragmatic pro-business types" who are perfectly comfortable with corporate welfare, ridiculous defense budgets, etc.

    Our parties are not really parties in the European sense - they are electoral coalitions. Differences "within" are often more significant than differences "between".

    In any case, the deficit-spending, social-engineering, civil-rights-violating Bush administration was not "libertarian" by any stretch of imagination. Unfortunately, what came to replace it doesn't seem to be any better.
    Last edited by Cyrylek; 04-16-13 at 03:14 PM.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    For your edification here is me voting last November. I filmed it for posterity. Excuse the poor quality. It was a cheap phone, and I spent the entire night swilling cheap vodka.

    ETA:Warning! Strong language Ahead! NSFW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTVb4gPA8s8

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