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  • Important, but futile

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  • Not at all

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Unfortunately the current mantra seems to be, "Ask not what you can do for your country but, what your country can do for YOU"

    Until that is reversed.........

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    Meh. The entrenched hegemony weeds out anybody who'd rock the boat, giving us the "choice" between going South-Southeast or South-Southwest. Not to mention the fact that my state is so gerrymandered, SSW has already been eliminated as a viable option before I even stumble into the polls.

    I'm not a completely stupid guy, but I know practically nothing about local issues. I can burn the cognitive resources to comprehend the legalese summaries, but usually don't bother. Forcing me to expend calculus test levels of mental effort to understand that a local gas station wants to sell booze on Sunday is bull****. I'm indifferent to most of that crap anyway and usually leave them blank.

    There are also so many names on the ballot that I've never heard before. I'll research presidential and senate candidates, but why the **** should I care about the dude checking the veracity of gas pump gauges? Unless there's some kind of scandal, I wouldn't even recognize his name. And even then, I probably would only remember that I heard that name somewhere. When choosing someone for the Podunk Commissioner of Bureaucratic Minutia, I can a) randomly pick whoever's name I like the most b) just blindly vote by party or c) leave the form blank. I normally go with C.
    Fair point. I don't always vote for every podunk judge or commissioner on the ballot. I've been known to vote for the races where I am informed and leave those blank if I feel I cannot make an informed decision. Most of those lower-level people, for the most part, are only doing what those at higher levels allow them to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Sorry but I rather have the idiots stay home. When they do stay home they are not a problem. They become a problem when they vote. I prefer fewer informed voter than a lot of brain dead ill informed twits.
    I agree, I'd rather idiots not vote, either, but that wasn't my point for the purposes of this thread. My point was that idiots, whether they vote or not, are part of the problem, precisely because by being idiots the system takes advantage and does it's own selfish/idiotic things. I'd rather voters not be idiots.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Maybe that's not a problem you have in the US, due to your majority voting system, but I'd say to fellow Germans that voting is important, don't they want to end up with lunatics in the parliament.

    There are anti-constitutional, anti-freedom parties, and their chance to win seats increases, the lower the turnout is. Even if you don't know which of the established parties to vote for, you dislike them equally or just consider them the lesser evil -- most at least know they don't want Nazis in the parliament. So vote against them. Vote for the lesser evil.

    Also, I am annoyed by people who keep constantly complaining about "the politicians", yet don't vote. There are many parties to chose from, even if many of them are just minor splinter parties with few prospects of winning seats, if you want to protest against the established parties. And the only reason why none of them wins seats, and does not bring more competition into the parliament, is because those who are fed up with the established who are allegedly all the same, don't vote but stay at home.

    I like to tell them: Better use your freedom to make a difference, instead of complaining.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How important is voting?

    1. Very.
    2. Important, but futile.
    3. Meh.
    4. Not very.
    5. Not at all.
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    Are you part of the solution, or are you part of the problem?

    • If you're an idiot/uninformed voter, you're part of the problem. You're lazy and/or a sucker for the politicians.
    • If you don't vote at all, because you don't care (and, hence are probably not even here at Debate Politics to read this), you're part of the problem. You're letting the politicians have their way unchallenged.
    • If you don't vote at all, because you think it's futile, you're part of the problem. I don't give a rat's arse how informed you are, or even if you're correct in your conclusions, you're still a sucker for the politicians by providing complicit approval for their actions.
    • I'd rather you be incorrect and vote (provided you're sincere and earnest in your research), than correct and not vote. You may not be correct in your conclusions, but at least you're not a sucker or an enabler. I can accept that.


    Personally, I don't deny the feelings of futility, but at the very least I'm not approving and I can say, "Don't blame me, I didn't approve of what they're doing(by either my action or inaction)."
    I do vote every election, but I find great futility

    in doing so,at least federally.

    In my city we can at change things a little.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    I depends. People who are ignorant should not be able to vote IMO.

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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Fair point. I don't always vote for every podunk judge or commissioner on the ballot. I've been known to vote for the races where I am informed and leave those blank if I feel I cannot make an informed decision. Most of those lower-level people, for the most part, are only doing what those at higher levels allow them to do.



    I agree, I'd rather idiots not vote, either, but that wasn't my point for the purposes of this thread. My point was that idiots, whether they vote or not, are part of the problem, precisely because by being idiots the system takes advantage and does it's own selfish/idiotic things. I'd rather voters not be idiots.
    You may well say that on Tuesdays it show rain down In and Out double doubles. (Keep praying for that. It never occurs. ) Their are stupid people in the world if they a just smart enough to NOT vote them I am cool with it. Otherwise life sucks and we get to deal with the resulting bull****.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Maybe that's not a problem you have in the US, due to your majority voting system, but I'd say to fellow Germans that voting is important, don't they want to end up with lunatics in the parliament.

    There are anti-constitutional, anti-freedom parties, and their chance to win seats increases, the lower the turnout is. Even if you don't know which of the established parties to vote for, you dislike them equally or just consider them the lesser evil -- most at least know they don't want Nazis in the parliament. So vote against them. Vote for the lesser evil.

    Also, I am annoyed by people who keep constantly complaining about "the politicians", yet don't vote. There are many parties to chose from, even if many of them are just minor splinter parties with few prospects of winning seats, if you want to protest against the established parties. And the only reason why none of them wins seats, and does not bring more competition into the parliament, is because those who are fed up with the established who are allegedly all the same, don't vote but stay at home.

    I like to tell them: Better use your freedom to make a difference, instead of complaining.
    I have come to despise voting for the lesser of two evils. I don't anymore. I vote for who I want instead of the jackasses with a D or R behind their name. I rather throw my vote away then vote either of them parties anymore. I will make an exception for an exceptional people.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I have come to despise voting for the lesser of two evils. I don't anymore. I vote for who I want instead of the jackasses with a D or R behind their name. I rather throw my vote away then vote either of them parties anymore. I will make an exception for an exceptional people.
    In America, refusing to vote makes a lot of sense. You don't have anti-republican parties that might enter the parliament if the turnout is very low. In Germany, 5% of the votes is enough for a party to enter parliament.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    You know, the usual: coercion and fraud - bad, freedom of choice and empathy - good. The Golden Rule, and all that jazz....
    Again.. all depends on definition and who we are talking about.

    Lets take coercion. US presidential election 2004. There was a lot of direct coercion by the GOP to cast fear into soccer moms about national security and terror. It worked. There was also a lot of issues with certain election areas.

    Freedom of choice is good you say.. then why does the right want to take that freedom of choice away from homosexuals?

    Empathy yea that is good, unless the name is Kennedy it seems...

    I am sure you can find plenty of the opposite examples

    Point is, the world is never black and white and democracy is great but not perfect. But democracy does get it right far more than some elitist right wing paradise system where the few dominate the many on political policy.
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    Re: How important is voting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again.. all depends on definition and who we are talking about.

    Lets take coercion. US presidential election 2004. There was a lot of direct coercion by the GOP to cast fear into soccer moms about national security and terror. It worked. There was also a lot of issues with certain election areas.

    Freedom of choice is good you say.. then why does the right want to take that freedom of choice away from homosexuals?

    Empathy yea that is good, unless the name is Kennedy it seems...

    I am sure you can find plenty of the opposite examples

    Point is, the world is never black and white and democracy is great but not perfect. But democracy does get it right far more than some elitist right wing paradise system where the few dominate the many on political policy.
    Fear-mongering is not "direct coercion", but I don't quite understand what is your argument. The GOP is not a libertarian party? No, it is not (although it has a fringe presence of libertarians). Democracy is better than oligarchy? Of course it is. Have I ever suggested otherwise?

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