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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think anytime roadblocks are put in place in order to stop women from having abortions, the dynamics are put in place to create more "Gosnells." These roadblocks include closing down clinics, wait times and sonograms. There will always be an enterprising person willing to forgo those restrictions.
    There are clinics everywhere.

    This man was killing infants, not fetuses. Wait times and sonograms don't make people want to kill their infant.

    So, I ask again.... what would you be your "perfect world" approach to abortion? No restrictions at all?


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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Partial-birth abortion was banned, which then necessitates the more brutal procedure of dismembering.

    How do you know there is no vigorous inspection? He was under constant scrutiny and harassment for performing a legal medical procedure.
    Because first, the procedure I described was legal where he was operating and second, no one is allowed to monitor these procedures firsthand without both the patient's and the physician's consent.

    But I'm glad to hear partial birth abortion was banned in your state.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Do you think there are more Kermit Gosnells in this country?
    Of course there are. "Civilization" hasn't ended the fact that human beings are still apex predators.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    There are clinics everywhere.

    This man was killing infants, not fetuses. Wait times and sonograms don't make people want to kill their infant.

    So, I ask again.... what would you be your "perfect world" approach to abortion? No restrictions at all?
    There is no perfect world Josie. All I'm saying is that the more restrictions put on women seeking abortions, the greater the chances are they would seek an abortion from butcher like Kermit Gosnell. If you require a 24-hour or longer wait time, the chances are greater a women will seek the path of least resistance. I realize this is probably not what you wanted to read, but that's all I've got.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because first, the procedure I described was legal where he was operating and second, no one is allowed to monitor these procedures firsthand without both the patient's and the physician's consent.

    But I'm glad to hear partial birth abortion was banned in your state.
    Gina's state, my state and your state are all the same.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because first, the procedure I described was legal where he was operating and second, no one is allowed to monitor these procedures firsthand without both the patient's and the physician's consent.

    But I'm glad to hear partial birth abortion was banned in your state.
    My state is yours and it's banned nation wide:
    The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 (Pub.L. 108–105, 117 Stat. 1201, enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. ß 1531,[1] PBA Ban) is a United States law prohibiting a form of late-term abortion that the Act calls "partial-birth abortion", often referred to in medical literature as intact dilation and extraction.[2] Under this law, "Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both." The law was enacted in 2003, and in 2007 its constitutionality was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post

    Abortion: Safe Rare Legal
    Indeed.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There is no perfect world Josie. All I'm saying is that the more restrictions put on women seeking abortions, the greater the chances are they would seek an abortion from butcher like Kermit Gosnell. If you require a 24-hour or longer wait time, the chances are greater a women will seek the path of least resistance. I realize this is probably not what you wanted to read, but that's all I've got.

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    But what you're saying makes no sense with my question about this specific case. The women who are connected to this trial - the women whose children Gosnell murdered - went to him in the third trimester of pregnancy. How does a 24 hour wait period make someone wait months to seek out a doctor who will abort their infant?

    Yes, abortion should be incredibly rare, but it's never safe for the child and sometimes not safe for the mother.


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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    A question for pro-choicers - why do you want abortions to be rare?


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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    A question for pro-choicers - why do you want abortions to be rare?
    Why would we want lots of them?
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