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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It is homicide. Homicide is the killing of a human being. The fetus is a human being, even if you don't consider it a person.
    Oh no homicide is the killing of a person which currently throughout most of the developed nations is a born human. The legal definition of person can change anytime if someone go's forth with a convincing case

    A person to me is the kind of entity that has the capability to make its own life-choices, to live its life without (unprovoked) interference from others.
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    Oh no homicide is the killing of a person which currently throughout most of the developed nations is a born human. The legal definition of person can change anytime if someone go's forth with a convincing case

    A person to me is the kind of entity that has the capability to make its own life-choices, to live its life without (unprovoked) interference from others.
    So a person is not a person until their brain is fully developed? Or maybe only when they legally become an adult?

    BTW, in many states, a person who kills a woman when she is late term pregnancy can and often is charged with double homicide. Clearly the law recognizes, at least late stage fetuses, as people.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually as many as 65% of zygotes fail to grow and are aborted naturally. Who knew mother nature is the biggest "murderer" of them all
    If you want to phrase it that way, sure, but usually the term murder has the connotation of maliciousness and is usually only used to refer to one human killing another human. Mother Nature is not a human, though, if you actually believe in such an entity, she does indeed kill lots of humans, pretty much everyone of us eventually, if we are not killed by other humans firsts.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If you want to phrase it that way, sure, but usually the term murder has the connotation of maliciousness and is usually only used to refer to one human killing another human. Mother Nature is not a human, though, if you actually believe in such an entity, she does indeed kill lots of humans, pretty much everyone of us eventually, if we are not killed by other humans firsts.
    The human race is part of nature too. If nature can decide whether a fetus is wanted so can we...and without remorse. If you don't morn for those 65% then why the fuss about the tiny % of abortions that are the mothers choice instead of natures? What good are our miraculous brains if we are forbidden to use them?

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    Oh no homicide is the killing of a person
    Nope. It's the killing of a human.


    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The human race is part of nature too. If nature can decide whether a fetus is wanted so can we...and without remorse. If you don't morn for those 65% then why the fuss about the tiny % of abortions that are the mothers choice instead of natures? What good are our miraculous brains if we are forbidden to use them?
    A natural death is not equatable with a deliberate homicide.

    Nature "decides" that human beings of all ages are "not wanted" through all sorts of methods. I guess that means you're arguing against all laws against homicide now, since there's no difference between a natural death and a deliberate killing. No need for those pesky medical examiners anymore, that's for sure.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So a person is not a person until their brain is fully developed? Or maybe only when they legally become an adult?

    BTW, in many states, a person who kills a woman when she is late term pregnancy can and often is charged with double homicide. Clearly the law recognizes, at least late stage fetuses, as people.
    You are familiar with the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004"?

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Nope. It's the killing of a human.




    A natural death is not equatable with a deliberate homicide.

    Nature "decides" that human beings of all ages are "not wanted" through all sorts of methods. I guess that means you're arguing against all laws against homicide now, since there's no difference between a natural death and a deliberate killing. No need for those pesky medical examiners anymore, that's for sure.
    We are not talking about "humans all ages" though so that is a fail. The truth is that nature has so little regard for a zygote because they are not humans, they are only one of 100's of thousands of "chances" for a human to develop. We don't even know why so many zygotes do not develop, at least when we choose there is a reason.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You are familiar with the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004"?
    I am now. Thank you. So my previous argument should of been in "any stage of development" not just late term pregnancy.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I am now. Thank you. So my previous argument should of been in "any stage of development" not just late term pregnancy.
    That certainly is the law.

    But the law does point out the term "Child in Utero" does not imply "personhood" at any stage of development. Nor does it relate to women who have lawful abortions. It is a legal term only to apply to situations stated within that particular law.

    And there is no defined stage of development in this law. If a woman is pregnant...at any stage...and both murdered during the commission of a crime...bad news for the murder. It's a double whammy.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
    Excellent description and definition of most abortions. (Some abortions are done to remove a dead baby in the womb) All others are murder.

    But be aware that I am pro-choice. God gave humans free will. Those who get or give abortions have the free will to do so, and if they do not reconcile themselves with God they have the right to burn in hell.

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