View Poll Results: Vote:

Voters
30. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, there probably are more abortion doctors like Gosnell

    24 80.00%
  • No, Gosnell is an anomaly

    6 20.00%
Page 25 of 27 FirstFirst ... 152324252627 LastLast
Results 241 to 250 of 268

Thread: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

  1. #241
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Lets start with Murder. Murder | Define Murder at Dictionary.com

    5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

    Synonym Study
    4. See kill1 .


    syn·o·nym
    [sin-uh-nim] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language, as happy, joyful, elated. A dictionary of synonyms and antonyms (or opposites), such as Thesaurus.com, is called a thesaurus.
    2.
    a word or expression accepted as another name for something, as Arcadia for pastoral simplicity or Wall Street for U.S. financial markets; metonym.
    3.
    Biology . one of two or more scientific names applied to a single taxon.

    So according to the dictionary, at least the one provided, Kill is a synonym for murder and a synonym can be a word with the same meaning and can be used interchangeably. So murder can be used in place of kill depending on the connotation that the author wishes to express. Apparently you wish to only recognize the legal definition not all definitions, however all definitions and definitions of synonyms do apply.

    To avoid overly long posts, I will stick with this one aspect and move to others in other posts.
    LMAO

    thanks for again proving my point, you REALLY dont understand the difference between FACTS and OPINION, objective and subjective do you?

    even by dishonestly skipping the LAW definitions which this WHOLE debate as been about and i referred to MANY times you still fail and prove me right and you wrong LMAO
    but ill play your dishonest game anyway because its still a loser for you

    WHy are you still obviously and factually wrong?

    easy because you are still trying to sell your OPINION as fact and it cause you to fail.

    see definition 5 that you so conveniently quoted for me and i think you for it. What does it say again?

    5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

    see those two underlined words?

    those are subjective and opinion words.

    many feel and have the opinion that their abortions are the moral and human thing to do, so no what? prove them wrong.


    again thanks for stating your OPINION but facts disagree

    so you fail again and so did your dishonest attempt move the goal posts away from law and to use a synonym LMAO

    thanks for playing what else do you have?

    also AGAIN you DODGED my questions to you, did you think id let it slide?

    Please FACTUALLY prove that consent to sex is consent to giving birth.
    Please present us with FACTUAL evidence that abortion is scientifically and moral MURDER.

    Same rules apply, Focus on the words FACTUAL(LY).
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  2. #242
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The Republic of Texas.
    Last Seen
    11-15-17 @ 11:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,647

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LMAO

    thanks for again proving my point, you REALLY dont understand the difference between FACTS and OPINION, objective and subjective do you?

    even by dishonestly skipping the LAW definitions which this WHOLE debate as been about and i referred to MANY times you still fail and prove me right and you wrong LMAO
    but ill play your dishonest game anyway because its still a loser for you

    WHy are you still obviously and factually wrong?

    easy because you are still trying to sell your OPINION as fact and it cause you to fail.

    see definition 5 that you so conveniently quoted for me and i think you for it. What does it say again?

    5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

    see those two underlined words?

    those are subjective and opinion words.

    many feel and have the opinion that their abortions are the moral and human thing to do, so no what? prove them wrong.


    again thanks for stating your OPINION but facts disagree

    so you fail again and so did your dishonest attempt move the goal posts away from law and to use a synonym LMAO

    thanks for playing what else do you have?

    also AGAIN you DODGED my questions to you, did you think id let it slide?

    Please FACTUALLY prove that consent to sex is consent to giving birth.
    Please present us with FACTUAL evidence that abortion is scientifically and moral MURDER.

    Same rules apply, Focus on the words FACTUAL(LY).
    To the bottom part of your post, as I said previously, I will get to that. Once other things are cleared up.

    As to your statement that anything but the legal definition is not fact, but opinion, if that were true, then there would not be other definitions, also, a legal definition is only the majority opinion of law makers and is, as you would put, no more fact than any of the other definitions. Either all definitions are factual or none are.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

  3. #243
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    To the bottom part of your post, as I said previously, I will get to that. Once other things are cleared up.

    As to your statement that anything but the legal definition is not fact, but opinion, if that were true, then there would not be other definitions, also, a legal definition is only the majority opinion of law makers and is, as you would put, no more fact than any of the other definitions. Either all definitions are factual or none are.
    sorry i didnt say that, what i said is that i have been referring to the legal terminology continuously for pages

    also NO all definitions are not factual when using subjective words to define them, this is basic common sense.
    the law definition is defined by LAW period. That is a factual definition.
    your definition is defined by subjective words which makes it NOT FACTUAL because your definition is based on OPINION and not FACT.

    an example of this would be UGLY.
    you may have an opinion that something is UGLY and in your OPINION that fits the definition but its not FACTUAL as others may disagree.

    nice spin but its another complete failure



    things are as clear as they are going to be because facts support them

    abortion is not factually murder
    consent to sex is not consent to giving birth

    let me know when you can factually prove otherwise, i cant wait
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  4. #244
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The Republic of Texas.
    Last Seen
    11-15-17 @ 11:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,647

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post


    sorry i didnt say that, what i said is that i have been referring to the legal terminology continuously for pages

    also NO all definitions are not factual when using subjective words to define them, this is basic common sense.
    the law definition is defined by LAW period. That is a factual definition.
    your definition is defined by subjective words which makes it NOT FACTUAL because your definition is based on OPINION and not FACT.

    an example of this would be UGLY.
    you may have an opinion that something is UGLY and in your OPINION that fits the definition but its not FACTUAL as others may disagree.

    nice spin but its another complete failure



    things are as clear as they are going to be because facts support them

    abortion is not factually murder
    consent to sex is not consent to giving birth

    let me know when you can factually prove otherwise, i cant wait
    So, just to see if I got this straight. Using Murder as a synonym for kill is not factual and nobody that was called murdered actually died unless that act of dieing meets the legal definition of murder? I am aware that you are consistently using the same definition, however, that does not limit others ability to use other definitions nor does that use of other definitions in anyway make a statement "non factual".

    Also, since the legal definition seems to be the only one you accept, then those who claim that Hitler and the Nazi's murdered Jews, Gypsies and Communist are wrong, because after all, it did not fit the legal definition at the time and place it occurred? Slave owners did not murder any slaves, because again, the legal definition at the time and place did not call it murder?

    So, in your opinion, only those who use the definition you accept are actually being factual. Got it. Nice trick to make sure you "win" a debate, but really, how does the audience of the debate feel about that tactic?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

  5. #245
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    1.)So, just to see if I got this straight. Using Murder as a synonym for kill is not factual and nobody that was called murdered actually died unless that act of dieing meets the legal definition of murder?
    2.) I am aware that you are consistently using the same definition, however, that does not limit others ability to use other definitions nor does that use of other definitions in anyway make a statement "non factual".

    3.)Also, since the legal definition seems to be the only one you accept,
    4.)then those who claim that Hitler and the Nazi's murdered Jews, Gypsies and Communist are wrong, because after all, it did not fit the legal definition at the time and place it occurred?
    5.) Slave owners did not murder any slaves, because again, the legal definition at the time and place did not call it murder?

    So, in your opinion, only those who use the definition you accept are actually being factual. Got it. Nice trick to make sure you "win" a debate, but really, how does the audience of the debate feel about that tactic?
    oh good lord more spin spin spin LMAO

    1.) nope, not even close to what i said
    2.) yes it does if those definitions depend on opinion and subjective terms and one is claiming it is factual
    3.) false again and not true, please refrain from making stuff up
    4.) this has been tried before and fails huge every time

    no they are not "wrong" unless they say it was factually murder, they are free to have that OPINION but if they say it was FACTUALLY murder then they would be wrong depending on the content of their statement
    also nazis may have factually murder some people that would be a case by case bases

    5.) again i dont know, they may have according to facts at the time, but in general they killed slaves, murder would be an opnion and nothing more unless you have an actual case you are referring to that you would like to discuss.

    6.) nope wrong again, but please continue to lie and make stuff up it only exposes you further lol
    id bet the audience feels great about it if they can read because so fare all you have posted is your opinion and lies about what i actually believe or side

    oy yeah i almost forgot with all your deflections

    things are as clear as they are going to be because facts support them

    abortion is not factually murder
    consent to sex is not consent to giving birth

    let me know when you can factually prove otherwise, i cant wait
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  6. #246
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The Republic of Texas.
    Last Seen
    11-15-17 @ 11:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,647

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    oh good lord more spin spin spin LMAO

    1.) nope, not even close to what i said
    2.) yes it does if those definitions depend on opinion and subjective terms and one is claiming it is factual
    3.) false again and not true, please refrain from making stuff up
    4.) this has been tried before and fails huge every time

    no they are not "wrong" unless they say it was factually murder, they are free to have that OPINION but if they say it was FACTUALLY murder then they would be wrong depending on the content of their statement
    also nazis may have factually murder some people that would be a case by case bases

    5.) again i dont know, they may have according to facts at the time, but in general they killed slaves, murder would be an opnion and nothing more unless you have an actual case you are referring to that you would like to discuss.

    6.) nope wrong again, but please continue to lie and make stuff up it only exposes you further lol
    id bet the audience feels great about it if they can read because so fare all you have posted is your opinion and lies about what i actually believe or side

    oy yeah i almost forgot with all your deflections

    things are as clear as they are going to be because facts support them

    abortion is not factually murder
    consent to sex is not consent to giving birth

    let me know when you can factually prove otherwise, i cant wait
    Abortion is factually killing. Murder is factually a synonym for killing. Therefore, Abortion is factually murder. Except to those who narrow their perspective on "factual" to a very narrow definition that supports only their arguments and point of view.

    I never said the consented to giving birth, I said they consented to getting pregnant. Live birth can only be if the pregnancy is carried to term. Besides murder for hire (abortion) there are many other things that can cause a pregnancy to not end with a live birth. And yes, they are consenting to pregnancy. As to your other examples, yes, they were being stupid and therefore consented to what happened to them. In the "rape" scenario you gave, I am apparently not the only person who considers it to be factual, since the laws had to be changed to get rape convictions because juries were looking at the woman and saying "she asked for it". Would it prevent me from handing down a conviction on a jury, no, but I would certainly give a much lighter sentence to a man who raped a slut dressed like a whore than to one who raped a decent woman dressed properly. If you advertise in public, then don't think you can discriminate between customers. If your intent is a private "sell", then keep it private. Having your tits and ass hanging out and barely covered and acting like a wanton slut is advertising and some people clearly believe you don't advertise what your not selling.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

  7. #247
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Murder is factually a synonym for killing.
    Factually, that is not a fact

    It's not even an opinion

    It's what is known as bull ****
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  8. #248
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    1.)Abortion is factually killing.
    2.)Murder is factually a synonym for killing. Therefore, Abortion is factually murder. Except to those who narrow their perspective on "factual" to a very narrow definition that supports only their arguments and point of view.

    3.)I never said the consented to giving birth, I said they consented to getting pregnant.

    4.) Live birth can only be if the pregnancy is carried to term.

    5.)Besides murder for hire (abortion) there are many other things that can cause a pregnancy to not end with a live birth.

    6.) And yes, they are consenting to pregnancy.

    7.)As to your other examples, yes, they were being stupid and therefore consented to what happened to them.

    8.)In the "rape" scenario you gave, I am apparently not the only person who considers it to be factual, since the laws had to be changed to get rape convictions because juries were looking at the woman and saying "she asked for it". Would it prevent me from handing down a conviction on a jury, no, but

    9.) I would certainly give a much lighter sentence to a man who raped a slut dressed like a whore than to one who raped a decent woman dressed properly. If you advertise in public, then don't think you can discriminate between customers. If your intent is a private "sell", then keep it private. Having your tits and ass hanging out and barely covered and acting like a wanton slut is advertising and some people clearly believe you don't advertise what your not selling.
    1.) 100% false as already proven with links to dictionaries and medical sites
    2.) also 100% false, ONLY using subjective words based on ones OPINION so

    also as proven you continuing to lie about my view will not help you. My view has nothing to do with this discussion LMAO this is another reason you keep failing.

    Fact remains abortion is factually not murder, this fact will not change no matter your opinion.
    facts dont care about your opinion or mine or anybody elses.

    3.) wow, you REALLY like to backpedal, make stuff up, re-frame and spin things dont you?
    uhm i really dont have any clue what you said along the way.

    "i" said consent to sex is not consent to giving birth and you tried to correct me repeatability and failed thats what i know

    but even with your backpedal, you are still 100% factually wrong. consent to sex is not consent to getting pregnant.

    by definition of the word consent that logic fails every time

    4.) with the way you worded it, true i think if i get what you are saying

    5.) abortion has already been proven not to be murder so this fails.

    6.) nope they factually or not and you havent provided any factual evidence to the contrary LOL

    7,) law disagrees with you LMAO

    8.) did you just say the laws had to be changed and then say that supports your broken logic? why did the laws need changed then, better yet was it because woman didnt used to be viewed as equals they way you want it now? LMAO fail again

    9.) WOW, thank you for this post it says tons about you and the type of person you are.
    a girl can walk down the street naked and if she is raped there was still no consent and no logical reason to give the RAPIST a "lighter sentence", HOLY ****!!!!!!!
    that statement is insane "give a RAPIST a lighter sentence"

    you are a class act LMAO

    nothing as changed yet
    things are as clear as they are going to be because facts support them

    abortion is not factually murder
    consent to sex is not consent to giving birth or pregnancy

    let me know when you can factually prove otherwise, i keep waiting
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  9. #249
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,827

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I would certainly give a much lighter sentence to a man (RAPIST)who raped a slut (woman, human being) dressed like a whore than to one who raped a decent woman dressed properly. If you advertise in public, then don't think you can discriminate between customers. (Customers???????)If your intent is a private "sell", then keep it private. Having your tits and ass hanging out and barely covered and acting like a wanton slut is advertising and some people clearly believe you don't advertise what your not selling.

    just had to quote this again because its such a classy post and speaks volumes of your rational. VOLUMES.

    why to go, im surprised by how many rapist apologist there are around here
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  10. #250
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,387

    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Well, if we're being technical, the term "ZEF" is somewhat disingenuous since the zygote phase lasts less than a week, and most women do not even realize pregnancy by that point, much less abort.



    No, the aborted does not survive the act. The doctor induced pregnancy before killing them, instead of killing them in the womb which is what usually occurs with earlier term abortions.
    Actually as many as 65% of zygotes fail to grow and are aborted naturally. Who knew mother nature is the biggest "murderer" of them all

Page 25 of 27 FirstFirst ... 152324252627 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •