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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Do you think there are more Kermit Gosnells in this country? (If you don't know the story, you need to know...)

    Abortion Doctor Trial: Coverage of Kermit Gosnell Case Sparks Debate

    If so, what should be done about this?
    He was an illegal abortionist. This story is but a peek into the world we enter if we ban abortions. There are plenty more where he comes from just waiting for the opportunity. Consider it a warning.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I can use the term homicide if you prefer, but really it's a matter of semantics.
    Personally, I stick to homicide. It's simple and accurate. No hyperbole, and it gets the point across. It should be murder, but the definition of murder requires illegality. Murder is a specific criminal charge.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Other people using the word wrong does not make your usage of the word less wrong.
    What's so wrong about it?

    Dishonest hyperbole would be the accurate description of the use of the word murder when it comes to abortion, and you have shown you cannot even claim ignorance.

    By the way, you can be passionate about an issue without using dishonesty or hyperbole. Being passionate is just an excuse.
    Dishonesty implies deception. What am I being deceptive about?

    Also, hyperbole is not always a terrible thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Personally, I stick to homicide. It's simple and accurate. No hyperbole, and it gets the point across. It should be murder, but the definition of murder requires illegality. Murder is a specific criminal charge.
    Why is it suddenly so important to use the literal definition of murder when talking about abortion when such consideration is not made for any other topic whatsoever?

    Ultimately, if it upsets people so bad that I choose to use the word, they can go cry to themselves about it in the corner.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Personally, I stick to homicide. It's simple and accurate. No hyperbole, and it gets the point across. It should be murder, but the definition of murder requires illegality. Murder is a specific criminal charge.
    as already proven many times its 100% not accurate if you are talking about abortion.

    in America "Abortion" is FACTUALLY neither homicide or murder.

    if you disagree by all means factually prove me wrong
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Why is it suddenly so important to use the literal definition of murder when talking about abortion when such consideration is not made for any other topic whatsoever?

    Ultimately, if it upsets people so bad that I choose to use the word, they can go cry to themselves about it in the corner.
    I'm somewhat inclined to agree with you, but I don't like the headaches associated with not being literal and specific and correct in one's language on this topic.

    Which is why I tend to be all of those things.

    Abortion is the premeditated and aggressive killing of a human being; it would specifically be murder only if it were illegal with the criminal charge of murder applying to those who perpetrated the act. Any killing of any human being, however, is a homicide.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Do you think there are more Kermit Gosnells in this country? (If you don't know the story, you need to know...)

    Abortion Doctor Trial: Coverage of Kermit Gosnell Case Sparks Debate

    If so, what should be done about this?
    In any profession there is a small percentage of people who have no shame or regard for other people. They have little or no conscience and sometimes it involves murder or bankrupting thousands to make a big bottom line.

    In medicine it there should always be ethics boards and there had to be numerous people who turned a blind eye to this so they are complicit as well.

    I remember once hearing a group of urologists smug as using a less effective chemotherapeutic agent to treat prostrate cancer provided a significantly bigger bottom line and these guys were earning close to a million. The choice they were making was "effective"
    yet not the most effective.

    I have no answers.

    Do not harm seems to be lost in the equation in some cases.

    I have not followed this case and yet I hope he is in jail.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    as already proven many times its 100% not accurate if you are talking about abortion.

    in America "Abortion" is FACTUALLY neither homicide or murder.

    if you disagree by all means factually prove me wrong
    It is homicide. Homicide is the killing of a human being. The fetus is a human being, even if you don't consider it a person.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    It is homicide. Homicide is the killing of a human being. The fetus is a human being, even if you don't consider it a person.
    amoung other facts that get in the way of this, we are talking about "abortion"

    abortion isnt a killing If the ZEF lives, which happens, hence this whole thread. The life of the ZEF is meaningless to the "abortion".

    Hence Abortion is not factually homicide.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Well, if we're being technical, the term "ZEF" is somewhat disingenuous since the zygote phase lasts less than a week, and most women do not even realize pregnancy by that point, much less abort.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    amoung other facts that get in the way of this, we are talking about "abortion"

    abortion isnt a killing If the ZEF lives, which happens, hence this whole thread. The life of the ZEF is meaningless to the "abortion".

    Hence Abortion is not factually homicide.
    No, the aborted does not survive the act. The doctor induced pregnancy before killing them, instead of killing them in the womb which is what usually occurs with earlier term abortions.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    1.)Well, if we're being technical, the term "ZEF" is somewhat disingenuous since the zygote phase lasts less than a week, and most women do not even realize pregnancy by that point, much less abort.




    No, the aborted does not survive the act. The doctor induced pregnancy before killing them, instead of killing them in the womb which is what usually occurs with earlier term abortions.
    1.) not sure how that makes the term disingenuous? i could use EF if you like that but doesnt change the discussion at all.
    2.) false, you are giving me an example of this case, the fact remains there have been abortions (which is only a medical procedure to stop pregnancy) that the ZEF lives.

    Abortion can is preformed if the ZEF is already dead, an abortions is preformed if the ZEF is a live and when the abortion is over whether the ZEF is a live of dead has no impact to the abortion.

    while the super vast majority of abortions result in the death of the ZEF since they are preformed before viability abortion by definition is not dependent of the life of the ZEF.
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