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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

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    Abortion: Safe Rare Legal
    It is impossible for abortion to be safe. Every successful abortion results in the death of an innocent human being. By definition, this is unsafe.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thanks Gina, don't know where I got the idea I can see your location listed. But it doesn't negate my other comments. Tiller did indeed do partial birth abortion. He used the foreceps through the crown method.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You are welcome.

    Whichever procedure he performed, it was legal and that's the difference between him and Gosnell, cb.
    Legal or not, the result is the same—a dead child.
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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yeah, that was a little snarky, I admit it. See edit.
    For the record dude, if you're skeptical about something, you can just politely ask for citations rather than being passive aggressively rude about it.

    From the abortion subforum today:

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    A person to you is a being that is neurologically active and has a mind? Sounds reasonable

    You support abortion for the first 5 months at least before they become neurologically active and have a mind?

    That is around the time where I would give the unborn some minimum consideration
    Like I said. At least two. There was a prominent paper by some European ethicists widely talked about in this forum as well, I believe more than just those two agreed with their findings, but I'd have to find the thread.

    Again, I'm not even making a value judgment here, just noting that these folks exist, which rendered the statement I was replying to false. Which is what I said...

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    what that doctor did was horrible.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    For the record dude, if you're skeptical about something, you can just politely ask for citations rather than being passive aggressively rude about it.

    From the abortion subforum today:



    Like I said. At least two. There was a prominent paper by some European ethicists widely talked about in this forum as well, I believe more than just those two agreed with their findings, but I'd have to find the thread.

    Again, I'm not even making a value judgment here, just noting that these folks exist, which rendered the statement I was replying to false. Which is what I said...
    You do realize though that if someone is pro in-choice-of-abortion-rights that "pro abortion" can't apply, since that position would automatically demand that someone would be in favor of abortion over any other choice?

    Tell me you can see that.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You do realize though that if someone is pro in-choice-of-abortion-rights that "pro abortion" can't apply, since that position would automatically demand that someone would be in favor of abortion over any other choice?

    Tell me you can see that.
    If you support the legality of abortion, the proper term for your position is pro-abortion; almost everyone likes choice, and most of those people who like choice generally want laws against aggressive violence. Some don't and some do want laws against this specific act of aggressive violence: abortion.

    Tell me you can see that?

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    If you support the legality of abortion, the proper term for your position is pro-abortion; everyone likes choice, and most people who like choice want laws against aggressive violence. Tell me you can see that?
    I can't be "pro abortion" if I support a woman's right to have a child. At most it only describes half a position and therefore implies that the other half (the right not to have a child) doesn't exist. By adding the word "rights" it makes it clear that both options exist. This is simply logical.

    Why are you against adding a word that makes it clear both options exist for the person holding that position?

    Edit: I could agree adding on "legal" instead of "rights" if you prefer. As in, "pro legal abortion." I'm not sure I see a significant difference.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 04-16-13 at 12:13 PM.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I can't be "pro abortion" if I support a woman's right to have a child. At most it only describes half a position and therefore implies that the other half (the right not to have a child) doesn't exist. By adding the word "rights" it makes it clear that both options exist. This is simply logical.

    Why are you against adding a word that makes it clear both options exist for the person holding that position?

    Edit: I could agree adding on "legal" instead of "rights" if you prefer. I'm not sure I see a significant difference.
    I think "legal" goes without saying though. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, after all - the law.

    I *do* recognize that there are people who want abortion to be legal who aren't the zealots who want to shrink the population, who think adoption is evil, who think every child should be wanted so all the others must die... I would still characterize these people as pro-abortion. They want the practice to be legal.

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I think "legal" goes without saying though. I mean, that's what we're talking about here, after all - the law.
    Actually it doesn't go without saying. But you're not answering my question: why are you against adding the word "legal" or "rights" to "pro abortion?"

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    Re: "The House of Horrors" Gosnell case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually it doesn't go without saying. But you're not answering my question: why are you against adding the word "legal" or "rights" to "pro abortion?"
    In the case of legal, I already told you: because I think it does go without saying.

    In the case of rights, I already told you: I would never imply that abortion is a "right."

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