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Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.

Should the boy scouts allow openly gay scouts and scoutmasters.


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Yet they do, they get preferential treatment and cheap accommodations on public land that other groups do not receive.

And that will change if federal discrimination laws are changed. But hey, it's not MY organization that is in jeopardy, so I don't really care.
 
I do not see why they would not allow openly gay scouts or scoutmasters. There is no logical reason not to allow them.

Because they don't want to and see such as morally wrong? Honestly, I'm always perplexed by people getting caught up with what organizations are doing, that they likely have no interest in.

You don't like BSoA policy? Great, don't send your kid there.
 
Like it has been said already the BSA are a private organization and they should be allowed to say who can join.

And if they choose to engage in discriminatory action excluding gays, they should lose their tax exempt status. You can't have it both ways.
 
Sorry but there is one you missed and I paraphrase "Morally straight."

Morally Straight does not refer to homosexual/heterosexual. Should the boy scout exclude people who have engaged in adultery or people who have frequented prostitutes?
 
I do not see why they would not allow openly gay scouts or scoutmasters. There is no logical reason not to allow them.
That wasn't the question (though it's obvious NP is doing some baiting here). Lots of people do things that have no logical purpose, but that doesn't relate to whether or not said practice should be allowed or disallowed.
 
And if they choose to engage in discriminatory action excluding gays, they should lose their tax exempt status. You can't have it both ways.

Since the government has no business caring about such issues it should have no effect on their tax status.
 
And that will change if federal discrimination laws are changed. But hey, it's not MY organization that is in jeopardy, so I don't really care.

Self-centered much?
 
Since the government has no business caring about such issues it should have no effect on their tax status.

Well if you want to be technical, the government has no business giving money to an organization such as the Boy Scouts.

However, neither reflects the reality of what goes on.
 
Well if you want to be technical, the government has no business giving money to an organization such as the Boy Scouts.

However, neither reflects the reality of what goes on.

All true. Like always though, there is no reason to make it worse.
 
All true. Like always though, there is no reason to make it worse.

Governments change, laws change. We all have seen that. I'm only saying that if the Boy Scouts want to keep their traditions, the best way is to not be beholden to the government by accepting federal money.
 
I don't think the Boy Scouts should hire either openly gay or openly straight people.

By that, I mean people who are in a position of trust in the Boy Scouts have no business expressing their sexuality to the kids whether they are gay or straight. That's not their job. Conversely, if any person hired is only doing their job, it shouldn't matter whether they are gay or straight.

Now...with the issue of protecting the kids from predatory adults, I think the Boy Scouts have a responsibility to ensure the safety of the kids whether it be from predation from gay, straight, male or female people in positions of trust.
 
I don't think the Boy Scouts should hire either openly gay or openly straight people.

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In this particular context, exactly what behavior would reveal someone to be "openly straight" and should therefore be prohibited in Boy Scout hiring practices?
 
In this particular context, exactly what behavior would reveal someone to be "openly straight" and should therefore be prohibited in Boy Scout hiring practices?

As I said...expressing their sexuality.

If a man gets up in front of the kids and says, "Okay, boys...I'm gay." BUZZZT!!! That guy is out of there.

If a man gets up in front of the kids and says, "Okay, boys...I like women." BUZZZT!!! That guy is out of there.

If a man gets up in front of the kids and says, "Okay, boys...we are going camping...we are going to learn to build a rope bridge." YEAH!!! That guy stays.
 
Because they don't want to and see such as morally wrong? Honestly, I'm always perplexed by people getting caught up with what organizations are doing, that they likely have no interest in.

You don't like BSoA policy? Great, don't send your kid there.

That is not a logical reason.

Note that the question was not whether the Boy Scouts should have to allow gay people, but whether I think they should.
 
Yes. Discrimination is inconsistent with the lessons on quality of character that the Boy Scouts aims to teach its members. It probably needs to knock off all of the overtly religious elements, too. The Boy Scouts has a policy of discrimination against non-monotheists as well. With regard to both issues, it is impossible to teach good moral values and discrimination. One precludes the other.



For example. Moral straightness and discrimination based on sexuality or religion are completely incompatible.

Religion yes, sexuality no.
 
That wasn't the question (though it's obvious NP is doing some baiting here). Lots of people do things that have no logical purpose, but that doesn't relate to whether or not said practice should be allowed or disallowed.

The question was whether they should allow. My reasoning for why they should allow gays in the boy scouts is that there is no logical reason not to. That is exactly the question.
 
The question was whether they should allow. My reasoning for why they should allow gays in the boy scouts is that there is no logical reason not to. That is exactly the question.

Certainly it's true that there is no logical reason that you will accept.
 
That is not a logical reason.

I didn't think it was, but it would inform you on why " they would not allow openly gay scouts or scoutmasters."
 
I didn't think it was, but it would inform you on why " they would not allow openly gay scouts or scoutmasters."

They do not need a reason, they are a private organization. I was simply explaining why in my opinion they should allow it.
 
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