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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    In my lifetime, I have never seen a President try to divided a country more than Obama. He campaigned on being the great uniter and ends up being just the opposite. The examples are too numerous to list.
    I do not know if dividing the country is the right word. I do know the president unlike many before him hasn’t until the last couple of weeks tried to reach across the aisle to find someone from the opposing party to work with. I have notice the rancor between the two major parties is at an all time high. But this developed at various times during other president’s tenure. There was a time when LBJ worked better with Republicans than Democrats.

    The division you talk about is among political parties. Those independents/swing voters in my opinion do not feel the divide. Like every president before him, President Obama makes them happy at times and gets them peeved at him at other times depending on the issue at hand. The rift of which you speak of is not there for these independents which make up around 40% of the electorate. The rift is there between members of the parties, those who associate themselves with the two major parties. I agree to a certain extent that during his first two years in office, Obama didn’t respect or give a hoot about the GOP. He didn’t have to with the huge majorities he had in both chambers.

    He got use to this and when 2010 happened, I think the president spent the next two years not know what to do. He needed to reach across to find a couple of Representatives or Senators from the opposing party that most presidents had done at the beginning of their first in the past. He is now trying to bring everyone together. Time will tell if he is successful or not.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    What does it mean, exactly - "divide the country"? Carter or either Bush at the end of their tenures were broadly unpopular, i.e. were "uniters" of sorts. Reagan, Clinton and Obama (so far) kept themselves popular with about a half of voters, and unpopular with another half - i.e. technically these are "dividers" - Reagan eliciting, arguably, stronger feelings on both sides, primarily because he was an actual reformer upsetting status quo.

    So, my answer would be Reagan - but it is meant as a compliment. Unity in defense of a rotten system is not a virtue.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Obama is easily the most partisan President of the last 40 years.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Obama has divided the United States in a way that is absolutely guaranteed to ensure eventual destruction.

    Obama has taken the United States off of it's path and historical significance as a country that grows ever richer and more prosperous and instead, turned the United States into a country in which forward progress is stopped and the existing richness and equity is then redistributed, redistributed not only to some Americans, but in a virtually endless list of places and groups.

    While the initial result of this change garners a huge number of Democrat votes from the beneficiaries, a moment's reflection reveals that any future then becomes finite and failure as a country is assured. Those initially grateful beneficiaries will then experience a far worse future than anything that they could have imagined. This will occur regardless of how angry they become and regardless of whom they are instructed to blame for their plight.

    This is the insidious division and destruction Obama has wrought upon our once beautiful and prosperous country.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not know if dividing the country is the right word. I do know the president unlike many before him hasn’t until the last couple of weeks tried to reach across the aisle to find someone from the opposing party to work with. I have notice the rancor between the two major parties is at an all time high. But this developed at various times during other president’s tenure. There was a time when LBJ worked better with Republicans than Democrats.

    The division you talk about is among political parties. Those independents/swing voters in my opinion do not feel the divide. Like every president before him, President Obama makes them happy at times and gets them peeved at him at other times depending on the issue at hand. The rift of which you speak of is not there for these independents which make up around 40% of the electorate. The rift is there between members of the parties, those who associate themselves with the two major parties. I agree to a certain extent that during his first two years in office, Obama didn’t respect or give a hoot about the GOP. He didn’t have to with the huge majorities he had in both chambers.

    He got use to this and when 2010 happened, I think the president spent the next two years not know what to do. He needed to reach across to find a couple of Representatives or Senators from the opposing party that most presidents had done at the beginning of their first in the past. He is now trying to bring everyone together. Time will tell if he is successful or not.
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    Unfortunately, it is not easy to bring people together when basic trust has been eroded by past actions. I agree, time will tell. :

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    I don't think it is entirely the president but look at the quality of speaker of the houses we have had recently.
    After Newt Gingrich we immdediately went downward. Next you had Dennis Hastert, Nancy Pelosi, and John Boehner.

    No way can you compare those last three with the likes of Tip O'Neil.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Is Obama the Most Divisive President in Modern History?

    Hope turned out to be “my way or the highway” politics in his first two years. He completely shut out the Republicans in the Senate and the Congress. He shoved his health bill down our throats. And then attempted to derail the last fragment of life out of the economy with his Cap and Trade Bill. Thankfully that one we were able to stop.





    Afterward, the American public threw the bums out of Congress who shoved his government mandated health bill down our throats. So, then, he went whining and crying to the lame-stream media about how all these extremist Republicans were derailing the recovery, purposely causing the economy to fail, in order to destroy his presidential re-election hopes. The next step was to provoke and encourage the self-delude, socialist masses against the 1%, who apparently caused all the problems in society.

    Gallup’s, Jeffrey Jones, in a memo summed up the results, saying,

    Obama’s ratings have been consistently among the most polarized for a president in the last 60 years. That may not be a reflection on Obama himself as much as on the current political environment in the United States, because Obama’s immediate predecessor, Bush, had similarly polarized ratings, particularly in the latter stages of his presidency after the rally in support from the 9/11 terror attacks faded.....snip~

    Is Obama the Most Divisive President in Modern History? | Political Matters

    Obama by far is the Most Divisive Modern President this Country has ever had.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Have you even listened to am radio? It's an infinity-lengthed infomercial against liberals. Literally every to every other sentence has the words "liberal" or "the left" in it. When your agenda is to convince one half of the nation that the other half is your enemy, that crap is divisive. And it's much more harmful to the country than practically anything a politician does because when a country is this polarized, it guarantees that no matter how bad an idea is, at least 50% of the population will support it.
    The major difference is this:
    radio talk show hosts have no legislative power over me. Elected politicians do.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    l have seen but not in USA

    so be gratefull to your presidents who are proud of being american
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    Unfortunately, it is not easy to bring people together when basic trust has been eroded by past actions. I agree, time will tell. :
    This is very true. I do not know if these luncheons or what ever will work, it may be a beginning or it may not. It may be that Obama is serious, then again it may be just for publicity to show independents he is trying to reach across the aisle. Yep, for sure, time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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